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Subject: Australian Power projection and Pacific goals
Herc the merc    1/18/2005 6:31:53 PM
The recent Tsunami raised an interesting question. As the Pacific becomes a power play zone ie with China, India, Japan, Australia, & some southeastern countries like Thailand, Indinesia, Taiwan strutting their stuff like a boat show what is Aussie power projection capability? Specifically can it pull of an operation like Iraq in its neighbourhood (say if Singapore is invaded or South Korea needs help or Taiwan). Should Australia build up such a force as its population rises (I am estimating 50million in 30years excluding Kangaroos- couldn't resist that one hehe) ie Aircraft carriers et al for the pacific, how about Taiwan? (Is Australia pro-China- due to trade and Rupert Murdoch or does it really stand for peace and democracy in the Pacific??
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/18/2005 6:43:11 PM
Interestingly enough, Indian strategic assessments about countering Chinese intrusion only refer to the regional capability of the Indian and Australian Navies to be able to keep the pressure on. They actually see the RAN as a stabilising force - and complimentary to their aims. That attitude kind of destroys the prev held view of the old guard that Aust was a proxy for US interests.
 
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DropBear    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/18/2005 6:44:51 PM
50 million people????? Rupert Murdoch??????
 
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Herc the merc    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/18/2005 7:04:30 PM
link -poulation is about 20million, immigration should increase by at least 15million in 30years, due to increased population and birth rates, in fact I expect Australia to be the growing Asian power in 25 years due to Asian immigration- check the trend, all current Australian ethnicities will be a minoirity group in sometime. I wouldn't be surprised if Australia would have its first Chinese or Indian prime minister in 30 years. Rupert Murdoch because he supports China (like the James Bond movie character)- to my knowledge he accepts Chinese occupation of Tibet claiming China bought it out of the stone age(something like that)- so I kind of thought Oz may catipulate to China for moollah, a la Clinton and Taiwan. But the question remains when is and Australian carrier group due or will Oz always play the USA card.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/18/2005 8:37:54 PM
we've got pretend aircraft carriers coming, that doesn't necessarily extrapolate to forward stancing. An LHA/ESG is not power projection. OTOH, ICBMs are. ;)
 
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fall out    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/20/2005 5:15:56 AM
power disintagration more like it as per ICBMs GF. ;) as per our pop, we can have a 50m pop in 30-50yrs, the sort of rates (per capita) needed are lower or at the max on a par with the post ww2 "populate or perish" immigration policies, were alot better from that i dare say, and btw, even though i was in footscray today where the main street was about 3/4 Asians (mainly Vietnamese, and we saw a guy shooting up in a car on the main street!) but whites outnumber asians/blacks, etc so it's not as big a problem as ppl think.
 
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Ghost General    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/20/2005 6:27:12 AM
I would say that we are the dominant power in the region, at least as far as South East Asia is concerned. They can talk all they want about Australia not being Asian enough so we don't get a say in regional politics but when it comes down to it we have more clout than any 3 of them put together. We have a better economy, a better military and infrastructer is located in an isolated and naturally defensible position. As far as China goes. Well that is far more iffy. At the moment we would support the USA because they can exert more power in the region for now than China. But in 30 years or so, that will have changed and China will be the dominant super power in the region. At that point Australia will hook up with China as they are one of our biggest trading partners (and they do it more fairly than the US) and closer than the USA. However by that time I would say that China will either have a Democratically elected capitalist government or something so close it won't really even matter. Either way it won't make that much difference to Australia.
 
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fall out    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/21/2005 2:30:24 AM
"At that point Australia will hook up with China as they are one of our biggest trading partners (and they do it more fairly than the US) and closer than the USA." - "more fairly than the US"?? Care to explain? Im sure your aware of China's pegging of their currency so it suits their exports and harms imports? Im sure your aware of their numerous copyright, patent law braking? there are plenty of other examples and just because the aust media portray the US FTA as if the US aren't playing fair game dont mean it's true.
 
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Rocster-yank    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/22/2005 7:10:00 PM
damn and I thot the aussies were still one of our best allies.. so as soon as you guys dont need us anymore.. get lost mate .. the chinese are our new good buddies.. sounds like a typical european Ghost General..principles values dont matter I guess its just the good ole dollar...until the hits the fan then.. where are the yanks.. sorry for my cynism
 
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DropBear    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/22/2005 7:16:36 PM
Well Rocster-yank, if you can convince the US Congress, Presidential Administration and 300 million odd fellow Yanks to buy our coal and other natural resources, then we wouldn't have to rely on other countries. My guess is that this will never happen, as the USA is too protectionist with trade. Not our fault!!
 
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Rocster-yank    RE:Australian Power projection and Pacific goals   1/22/2005 7:30:37 PM
I'll be the first to admit i dont know all our US trade policies but we do talk free trade talk alot..and every country has its insiders pulling strings to protect some our their turf ims sure there is some on the aussie side too. My point is..the almight dollar overrules what principles and values your have? You think the Chinese are gonna treat you better overall then the USA??? Get real they are communist if you dont remember..and they have no moral compass in their kit.
 
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