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Subject: Alternatives to a future submarine
Aussiegunneragain    9/21/2009 7:21:46 AM
Since there is a snowflake's chance in hell of us ever getting nuclear submarines, I'm wondering what people think about some sort of fast, stealthy, long-ranged surface ship which is also submersible to shallow depths to improve on the capabilities of the Collins Class when it eventually retires. I'm thinking a 3000 tonne class ship with either multiple hulls or single hull with a hydrofoil, which can move into an AO at high speed (30kt+) on the surface, but which can submerge by flooding the hulls and patrol at low speed once in the AO. Armament would consist of lightweight torpedos fired from remotely piloted asw vehicles, VLS-launched SSM's, LACM's and SAM's and a gun.
 
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Volkodav       9/27/2009 12:02:50 AM
A low profile, stealthy, multihulled platform with minimal draft may actually be a better way to go than a semi submersible considering the shallow littoral waters in our region. Other factors would include shock resistance, acoustic silencing, top space for sensor location as well as the need to keep any helo deck as high as possible for safe operation of helo's and UAV's
 
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gf0012-aust       9/27/2009 12:18:38 AM
UAV's have already been launched from subs.  USS Florida did it (publicly) in Ex Silent Hammer prior to its gut modification.  A few years have passed since then... so when the birds stop chirping....
 
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WarNerd       9/27/2009 12:26:54 AM

New batteries with close to diesel energy density permitting the replacement of the diesel generators and their fuel with a bigger battery. End result, an electric only submarine that can complete a full transit and patrol, submerged on a single charge. You want to extend the subs endurance, simple, rig our new generation support ships, which would likely be diesel electric themselves, to recharge the subs at sea.

Which battery types are you referring to?
 
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Volkodav       9/27/2009 12:38:48 AM
Which battery types are you referring to?
 
Not my field but look more toward what is being achieved in automotive battery technology than the tried and true 1970's tech used in current gen DE subs. Once batteries reach a certain efficiency diesel fuel, diesel generators and all current tech AIP become nothing but dead weight that cuts into the potential battery space.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       9/27/2009 3:51:10 AM

A low profile, stealthy, multihulled platform with minimal draft may actually be a better way to go than a semi submersible considering the shallow littoral waters in our region. Other factors would include shock resistance, acoustic silencing, top space for sensor location as well as the need to keep any helo deck as high as possible for safe operation of helo's and UAV's

There is no reason why what I am talking about couldn't operate entirely on the surface if it was more appropriate to do so. It's just that a semi-submersible vessel would give the commander another option to further improve stealth in areas of very high enemy activity, especially during the day when the Mark 1 eyeball on a radio-equipped fishing boat at anchor could undo a vessel on the surface.
 
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