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Subject: DPRK arms shipment to Iran intercepted by UAE.
Herald12345    8/29/2009 3:22:22 PM
Why is this in the Australia section? link Here is why: " UAE seized N.Korea arms shipment bound for Iran 28 Aug 2009 22:38:46 GMT Source: Reuters * Arms included rocket launchers, detonators, RPGs * Seizure of shipment took place on Aug. 14 * Countries linked include Australia, France, Italy, China (Adds details about weapons, countries involved) By Louis Charbonneau UNITED NATIONS, Aug 28 (Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates has seized a cargo of North Korean weapons being shipped to Iran, which would have violated a U.N. embargo on arms exports from the communist state, Western diplomats said on Friday. The weapons seized on Aug. 14 included rocket launchers, detonators, munitions and ammunition for rocket-propelled grenades, they said. The ship, called the ANL-Australia, was Australian-owned and flying a Bahamas flag. Diplomats said the UAE reported the incident, which occurred two weeks ago, to the Security Council sanctions committee on North Korea. The committee sent letters to Tehran and Pyongyang on Aug. 25 informing them of the seizure and demanding a response within 15 days. "Based on past experience ... we don't expect a very detailed response," one of the diplomats said on condition of anonymity. The diplomats said the Australian firm whose ship was seized is controlled by a French conglomerate and the actual export was arranged by the Shanghai office of an Italian company. The diplomats did not name any of the firms involved. "The cargo was deceptively labeled," said a diplomat "The cargo manifest said that the ship contained oil boring machines. But then you opened it up and you found these arms." Diplomats said both North Korea and Iran appeared to be in breach of Security Council resolution 1874, which banned all arms exports from North Korea and authorized states to search suspicious ships and seize and destroy banned items. The resolution was imposed after North Korea's second nuclear test in May. The council imposed sanctions on Pyongyang after its first test in October 2006, but the measures were never enforced, mainly because China showed no interest in seeing them implemented. Diplomats said the UAE seizure, which was done on the basis of the country's own intelligence reports, was an important success for the beefed-up North Korean sanctions regime and would hopefully deter further attempts at skirting sanctions. Tehran has also been punished with three rounds of U.N. sanctions for its nuclear program, which Western powers fear is aimed at producing atomic weapons. Iran says it has a peaceful atomic program that will generate electricity, not bombs. (Reporting by Louis Charbonneau; editing by David Storey)" ???????????????????????????????????????
 
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tigertony    Heraldbell   8/31/2009 7:16:35 AM
 
 
I apologized for drawing the attention of a village idiot into a thread and to this board 
 
Its only a matter of time before you realize that you are specific village idiot, in this case..

Herald
 
  
  Funny that i am a village idiot, but DropBear answered part of my post for you moron!!!.
 
 "You assume they were sucked in. For all we know, some bad apple at the top may have been in the know. Money talks. Just because someone is an Aussie or has links to Oz does not make them a saint. Look at the Diggers who pinched heavy weapons from army barracks to sell to bikie gangs. Serving soldiers with more interest in monetary gain that patriotic notions of duty. It happens."
 
  So Heraldbell just how many CCP have both the USA and Australia already trained in Western ways? Now lets discuss how many Muslims are taking over the EU?.
 
   Heraldbell i have just one word for you   "FOOL".
 
 
                                                                   tigertony
 
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Hugo       8/31/2009 7:19:14 AM
Herald, it appears you can run but cannot hide from Tiger's silliness.
 
In reply to Tony's question of who the Chinese community serve, I would hope and suggest it is themselves.  Striving to make a better life for themselves and their children will itself strengthen their loyalty to a society that has provided such an opportunity. 
 
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tigertony    Oh really Hugo?   8/31/2009 7:29:23 AM

Herald, it appears you can run but cannot hide from Tiger's silliness.

 

In reply to Tony's question of who the Chinese community serve, I would hope and suggest it is themselves.  Striving to make a better life for themselves and their children will itself strengthen their loyalty to a society that has provided such an opportunity. 


 

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Enterpriser       8/31/2009 8:29:11 AM
WTF? And this Tiger crap is relevent to Herald's point/article how? Sounds more like an Anti-Chinese rant to me...........
 
My point that I was making in my attempt to be humourous was that it is not even known whether there was any actual corporate knowledge by ANL or its French partners/owners about the nature of the shipment in question - although I admit that transfers from NK are prima facie suspicious and the Flag of Convenience is also rather interesting......quite clearly, and quite rightly IMHO, Herald wanted to know what was up with all of this and I was attempting to highlight the absurdity of attempting to speculate on an article that leaves so many facts as unknown.
 
Brett.
 
 
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Hugo       8/31/2009 9:29:59 AM
Oh really Hugo?  
 
Yes really Tiger.  You cannot collectivize based on the actions of a few individuals.  Otherwise, Irish Americans are all IRA activists, Russian Americans suspected mafia members, Jewish Americans suspected Israeli spies and Tigers like yourself supporting Tamil Elam. 
 
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Herald12345       8/31/2009 9:42:35 AM

WTF? And this Tiger crap is relevent to Herald's point/article how? Sounds more like an Anti-Chinese rant to me...........

 

My point that I was making in my attempt to be humourous was that it is not even known whether there was any actual corporate knowledge by ANL or its French partners/owners about the nature of the shipment in question - although I admit that transfers from NK are prima facie suspicious and the Flag of Convenience is also rather interesting......quite clearly, and quite rightly IMHO, Herald wanted to know what was up with all of this and I was attempting to highlight the absurdity of attempting to speculate on an article that leaves so many facts as unknown.

 

Brett.

 

 
As you can see, the DPRKs (and presumably PRC bandit partners, since it is through the PRC economic system that many of these transactions filter) are not above using cutouts to attain their ends. As you can also see, the cutouts know who their bankrollers are.
 
Herald 
 
 
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albywan       8/31/2009 5:06:15 PM
Herald, you're going to wind up having a heart attack... learn to accept things at face value.
 
which for Tiger, would probably be no value at all to you - so don't let him wind you up. Because when you go on your rants you come across worse than the intellectually challenged person you are responding too...
 
And accept that AUSTRALIA has little involvement in the smuggling efforts of the Koreans or Chinese. It is simply a Australian company that has a link in the chain of ownership... There are plenty of ships owned by Australian companies, not all of them involved in smuggling. Likewise there are probably a few US owned ships that are involved in illegal shipment of goods. This is a reality of international shipping.
 
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albywan       8/31/2009 7:53:35 PM


1. I wanted to drag the fool away from you fellows; so that you wouldn't have to put up with the nonsense. He followed me like I knew he would. The weak-minded are always so easy to manipulate.

 

2. The other point that you make (underlined) does not obviate (to me) the unusual circumstances of this case. The DPRKS must be desperate to take that kind of risk when there are so many better and harder to trace vessel ownerships and registries to hide their shipments.


 Herald 
 

1) I suspect what you really wanted was another Herald vs "the idiot" battle... but call it what you will.
2) Opportunity. That is probably the main reason this vessel was chosen, it was probably the only "western" vessel in port at the opportune time for loading. I am basing this solely on the assumption that vessels with a regular call in any N. Korean friendly ports would be a target of interception. Again, i don't think the circumstances are unusual... If a psuedo blockade of a country is in force, proxies become the avenue...

 
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StevoJH       9/1/2009 3:42:22 AM
As I understand it, ANL was purchased from the Australian Government in 1998 by the French Shipping Company CMA CGM.
 
So other then the name of the company, and possibly some of the crew, I don't think there is much Australian Involvement at all.
 
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Herald12345    Incorrect.   9/1/2009 4:42:37 AM
1) I suspect what you really wanted was another Herald vs "the idiot" battle... but call it what you will.
 
It was as stated. Besides I found that Yellichink^1, when he entered the discussion, raised an interesting discussion point. He was taught me something I did not know in topic, until the fool showed up, late as usual to the party.
 
^1 Yellichink is not a fool.
 
H.
 
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