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Subject: DPRK arms shipment to Iran intercepted by UAE.
Herald12345    8/29/2009 3:22:22 PM
Why is this in the Australia section?

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UAE seized N.Korea arms shipment bound for Iran
28 Aug 2009 22:38:46 GMT
Source: Reuters
* Arms included rocket launchers, detonators, RPGs

* Seizure of shipment took place on Aug. 14

* Countries linked include Australia, France, Italy, China

(Adds details about weapons, countries involved)

By Louis Charbonneau

UNITED NATIONS, Aug 28 (Reuters) - The United Arab Emirates has seized a cargo of North Korean weapons being shipped to Iran, which would have violated a U.N. embargo on arms exports from the communist state, Western diplomats said on Friday.

The weapons seized on Aug. 14 included rocket launchers, detonators, munitions and ammunition for rocket-propelled grenades, they said. The ship, called the ANL-Australia, was Australian-owned and flying a Bahamas flag.

Diplomats said the UAE reported the incident, which occurred two weeks ago, to the Security Council sanctions committee on North Korea. The committee sent letters to Tehran and Pyongyang on Aug. 25 informing them of the seizure and demanding a response within 15 days.

"Based on past experience ... we don't expect a very detailed response," one of the diplomats said on condition of anonymity.

The diplomats said the Australian firm whose ship was seized is controlled by a French conglomerate and the actual export was arranged by the Shanghai office of an Italian company. The diplomats did not name any of the firms involved.

"The cargo was deceptively labeled," said a diplomat "The cargo manifest said that the ship contained oil boring machines. But then you opened it up and you found these arms."

Diplomats said both North Korea and Iran appeared to be in breach of Security Council resolution 1874, which banned all arms exports from North Korea and authorized states to search suspicious ships and seize and destroy banned items.

The resolution was imposed after North Korea's second nuclear test in May. The council imposed sanctions on Pyongyang after its first test in October 2006, but the measures were never enforced, mainly because China showed no interest in seeing them implemented.

Diplomats said the UAE seizure, which was done on the basis of the country's own intelligence reports, was an important success for the beefed-up North Korean sanctions regime and would hopefully deter further attempts at skirting sanctions.

Tehran has also been punished with three rounds of U.N. sanctions for its nuclear program, which Western powers fear is aimed at producing atomic weapons. Iran says it has a peaceful atomic program that will generate electricity, not bombs. (Reporting by Louis Charbonneau; editing by David Storey)"

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Enterpriser    Bugger..........!   8/29/2009 8:39:20 PM
Okay Herald - it appears the jig is up! We give in!!!!!!!!
 
For the last 6 years the Australian Defence Forces have been contracting (at the request of the Committee Resisting American Policy [CRAP]) shipments of arms and ammunition from the Democratic Peoples' Socialist Utopia of the Koreas (Nth Branch [Sth Branch Coming soon]) - using the vessels of the Australian National [Arms-shipping] Line (ANaL)and employing a sophisticated web of Shelf, Holding and Private companies for the purposes of supplying weapons to the oppressed breathren  in Iraq and Afghanistan suffering the onslaught of American aggression and post Cold War need to define the new security agenda.
 
What else can we say........?!?!? It seemed like a good idea at the time??
 
Brett.
 
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Barracuda       8/29/2009 9:51:27 PM

Okay Herald - it appears the jig is up! We give in!!!!!!!!

 

For the last 6 years the Australian Defence Forces have been contracting (at the request of the Committee Resisting American Policy [CRAP]) shipments of arms and ammunition from the Democratic Peoples' Socialist Utopia of the Koreas (Nth Branch [Sth Branch Coming soon]) - using the vessels of the Australian National [Arms-shipping] Line (ANaL)and employing a sophisticated web of Shelf, Holding and Private companies for the purposes of supplying weapons to the oppressed breathren  in Iraq and Afghanistan suffering the onslaught of American aggression and post Cold War need to define the new security agenda.

 

What else can we say........?!?!? It seemed like a good idea at the time??

 

Brett.


Made my day ... HAHAHAHA.  It's good to chuckle
 
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Volkodav       8/29/2009 10:36:53 PM
I thought it was pat of AWB's non -grain diversification. Since the crackdown following the oil for food scandal they have been looking for less risky / controversial activities. 
 
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Enterpriser    Probably just...   8/29/2009 11:26:58 PM
AWB's revenge on the Americans for disrupting their $B grain deals...............?
 
Brett.
 
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tigertony    CCP in Australia is not laughing!   8/30/2009 2:40:44 PM

Okay Herald - it appears the jig is up! We give in!!!!!!!!

 

For the last 6 years the Australian Defence Forces have been contracting (at the request of the Committee Resisting American Policy [CRAP]) shipments of arms and ammunition from the Democratic Peoples' Socialist Utopia of the Koreas (Nth Branch [Sth Branch Coming soon]) - using the vessels of the Australian National [Arms-shipping] Line (ANaL)and employing a sophisticated web of Shelf, Holding and Private companies for the purposes of supplying weapons to the oppressed breathren  in Iraq and Afghanistan suffering the onslaught of American aggression and post Cold War need to define the new security agenda.

 

What else can we say........?!?!? It seemed like a good idea at the time??

 

Brett.


 
Chinese diaspora: Australia

By Phil Mercer
BBC News, Sydney

Four-year-old Alex Lu takes part in a Lion Dance for the 2005 Chinese New Year celebrations in Sydney, Australia
The Chinese community is one of Australia's fastest-growing
The Chinese have a long and rich history in Australia.

In the early 19th century small groups of migrants were given jobs as labourers and domestic servants.

The number of arrivals soared in the latter part of the 1800s thanks to a gold rush in Australia coupled with a widespread famine and social unrest in China.

Life for these pioneers in a strange land was extremely challenging.

Chinese settlers were often the victims of racism and violence at the hands of European miners, angry at so many Asian faces in the goldfields.

This discrimination continued at an official level, with colonial governments restricting further immigration from China.

It led to a long-term decline in the Chinese community in Australia.

'Resilient and determined'

In the past 30 years, however, Australia has been far more welcoming.

Henry Wong, the General Manager at Manly council in Sydney, said the Chinese had become a vital and vibrant part of Australian society.

Su Wong
I need to do very well here to show that China is a great nation
Business student Su Wong

"The Chinese are an inventive lot and they are fairly resilient and pretty determined to succeed," he said.

"They see hardship as a necessary part of character building. As migrants in a foreign country they had to survive, and the only way to survive is to do better than the locals and to make a mark through hard work," he said.

Henry Wong is an Australian citizen. He was born in Hong Kong, moved to Australia from Britain in the mid-1970s and is fiercely proud of his Chinese heritage.

"My nationality is Australian, I think like an Aussie," he said. "But deep down when you get to those things that make up who you are then the Chineseness takes over.

"Even though I was not born in China, we do not forget our roots and where our ancestors were raised," he said.

Fast-growing community

Associate Professor Hans Hendrischke from the University of New South Wales believes that a sort of innate pride has given migrants from China great confidence.

CHINA'S DIASPORA
First major emigration in 14th-16thC by traders and seafarers
Colonial powers used Chinese as labourers in SE Asia and the Americas
But also have reputation for business success
There are about 30m overseas Chinese in total
Indonesia and Thailand have the biggest numbers - 7-9m each (estimates)
Singapore has the highest concentration - 3m, or 75% of its population

"Chinese in the diaspora here feel they benefit from the strong international position of China," Professor Hendrischke said, "and from the expectation that China will continue to grow in importance."

China sees Australia as an important trading partner and a reliable supplier of raw materials and energy.

The development of these close economic ties is due in part to the expertise of Chinese expatriates able to bridge the gap between the two cultures.

"When these migrants come to Australia (from China) there is not too much difference between them and us," explained Michael Jones, the President of the Australia-China Chamber of Commerce of New South Wales. "Their goals and their attitudes are very Western."

The Chinese have become one of the fastest growing overseas-born communities in Australia.

In 2004, just over 11,000 Chinese settlers arrived here - around 10% of the total.

According to the latest census, about half a million Australians identify themselves as having Chinese ancestry.

Integration fears

The original settlers in the 19th century mostly came from a few counties in Guangdong Province.

In the 1980s there were waves of business migrants from Taiwan and Hong Kong.

Hui Zheng
I think it means more to be a Chinese when you are overseas than... in China
Finance student Hui Zheng

Since 1989, the largest inflow has been from the People's Republic.

There is a concern that some new arrivals do not always make much of an effort to mix with the locals.

"There is a debate as to whether they integrate in a way that the Italians or eastern European migrants did in the past," said Michael Jones.

"There is a feeling in certain quarters that the Chinese are a little bit ghetto-ish and they tend to mix with their own people and use Australia as a base for their business activities back in China.

"It's too early to make a judgement on that. We have to wait and see what future generations do."

'Helpful to China'

The very visible face of the Chinese in Australia can be found on university campuses across the country.

Like many immigrants and Australian-born Chinese, many students display an unbreakable pride in their homeland.

"I need to do very well here to show that China is a great nation," 26-year-old Su Wong from Beijing said.

After two years at Sydney University, she recently graduated with a Masters degree in commerce and international business.

"I hope to use what I have learned here, how companies work and how people do things," she said. "It will be very helpful if I go back to China to help my country to develop its economy."

Fellow student Lin Lin agrees. "The government wants us as young students to go to the western countries to learn," said the 21-year old undergraduate from northern China.

"They want us to get different experiences and then to go back and help our home country grow up."

Hui Zheng has been studying finance in Sydney for the past five years.

Even though he is far from home, he too feels the weight of responsibility.

"If you are living overseas you represent your country. Every Chinese - his thinking, his talking, the way he acts - represents the whole one billion people," said the 28-year-old PHD student.

"I think it means more to be a Chinese when you are overseas than in China," he said.


   I think you should really read the above and remember who they still serve!
 
   And both the British Queen and our President "Are Guilty as Charged".
 
 
                                                                       tigertony
 
 
 
 
 
                          
 
            
 
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Herald12345    CRAP!   8/30/2009 3:00:19 PM
I wanted to have some intelligent commentary as to how an Australian company (French 1%er/PRC bandit front?)was sucked into this mess. .
 
Apologies.
 
Herald 
 
 
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tigertony    Herald   8/30/2009 3:16:56 PM

I wanted to have some intelligent commentary as to how an Australian company (French 1%er/PRC bandit front?)was sucked into this mess. .

 

Apologies.

 

Herald 


 


  I suggest you read the above again.
   All the answers are there "It is not my fault you lack the wisdom to see them!".
 
   Herald  i apologize to nobody "Except if i am wrong". Funny i have not had to issue one to you, like i did DA, or swhitebull.
 
                                                         tigertony
 
  
 
                                                                   tigertony
 
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DropBear       8/31/2009 2:35:15 AM
ANL, eh?
 
I remember years ago when they were trying to flog it off that one wag suggested a marketing slogan of..."For sale, one loss making company with strings attached".
 
Seems little has changed. 
 
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DropBear       8/31/2009 2:47:38 AM
 
I wanted to have some intelligent commentary as to how an Australian company (French 1%er/PRC bandit front?)was sucked into this mess. .
 
Herald,
 
You assume they were sucked in. For all we know, some bad apple at the top may have been in the know. Money talks. Just because someone is an Aussie or has links to Oz does not make them a saint. Look at the Diggers who pinched heavy weapons from army barracks to sell to bikie gangs. Serving soldiers with more interest in monetary gain that patriotic notions of duty. It happens.
 
Second point is why the ship was flagged in the Bahamas if Oz owned (and one would have presumed already registered)?
 
Perhaps the Det Norske Veritas certification is cheaper in the Bahamas
 
Also, did the ship passage through Oz waters? Did Oz Customs check the cargo? Is it homeported here? etc etc etc
 
Forget the North Koreans, questions aimed at ANL should be forthcoming!
 
Curious.
 
 
 
 
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Herald12345     The apology was for drawing fire from an idiot, poster.   8/31/2009 4:03:39 AM




I wanted to have some intelligent commentary as to how an Australian company (French 1%er/PRC bandit front?)was sucked into this mess. .



 



Apologies.



 



Herald 






 






  I suggest you read the above again.


   All the answers are there "It is not my fault you lack the wisdom to see them!".

 

   Herald  i apologize to nobody "Except if i am wrong". Funny i have not had to issue one to you, like i did DA, or swhitebull.

 

                                                         tigertony

 

  

 

                                                                   tigertony



I apologized for drawing the attention of a village idiot into a thread and to this board 
 
Its only a matter of time before you realize that you are specific village idiot, in this case..

Herald
 
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tigertony    Heraldbell   8/31/2009 7:16:35 AM
 
 
I apologized for drawing the attention of a village idiot into a thread and to this board 
 
Its only a matter of time before you realize that you are specific village idiot, in this case..

Herald
 
  
  Funny that i am a village idiot, but DropBear answered part of my post for you moron!!!.
 
 "You assume they were sucked in. For all we know, some bad apple at the top may have been in the know. Money talks. Just because someone is an Aussie or has links to Oz does not make them a saint. Look at the Diggers who pinched heavy weapons from army barracks to sell to bikie gangs. Serving soldiers with more interest in monetary gain that patriotic notions of duty. It happens."
 
  So Heraldbell just how many CCP have both the USA and Australia already trained in Western ways? Now lets discuss how many Muslims are taking over the EU?.
 
   Heraldbell i have just one word for you   "FOOL".
 
 
                                                                   tigertony
 
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Hugo       8/31/2009 7:19:14 AM
Herald, it appears you can run but cannot hide from Tiger's silliness.
 
In reply to Tony's question of who the Chinese community serve, I would hope and suggest it is themselves.  Striving to make a better life for themselves and their children will itself strengthen their loyalty to a society that has provided such an opportunity. 
 
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tigertony    Oh really Hugo?   8/31/2009 7:29:23 AM

Herald, it appears you can run but cannot hide from Tiger's silliness.

 

In reply to Tony's question of who the Chinese community serve, I would hope and suggest it is themselves.  Striving to make a better life for themselves and their children will itself strengthen their loyalty to a society that has provided such an opportunity. 


 

Chinese Spy 'Slept' In U.S. for 2 Decades

 

Espionage Network Said to Be Growing

Chi Mak was sentenced to 241/2 years to send a message to China.
Chi Mak was sentenced to 241/2 years to send a message to China. (Sketch By Bill Robles For The Associated Press)
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Prosecutors called Chi Mak the "perfect sleeper agent," though he hardly looked the part. For two decades, the bespectacled Chinese-born engineer lived quietly with his wife in a Los Angeles suburb, buying a house and holding a steady job with a U.S. defense contractor, which rewarded him with promotions and a security clearance. Colleagues remembered him as a hard worker who often took paperwork home at night.

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Eventually, Mak's job gave him access to sensitive plans for Navy ships, submarines and weapons. These he secretly copied and sent via courier to China -- fulfilling a mission that U.S. officials say he had been planning since the 1970s.

Mak was sentenced last week to 24 1/2 years in prison by a federal judge who described the lengthy term as a warning to China not to "send agents here to steal America's military secrets." But it may already be too late: According to U.S. intelligence and Justice Department officials, the Mak case represents only a small facet of an intelligence-gathering operation that has long been in place and is growing in size and sophistication.

The Chinese government, in an enterprise that one senior official likened to an "intellectual vacuum cleaner," has deployed a diverse network of professional spies, students, scientists and others to systematically collect U.S. know-how, the officials said. Some are trained in modern electronic techniques for snooping on wireless computer transactions. Others, such as Mak, are technical experts who have been in place for years and have blended into their communities.

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"Chi Mak acknowledged that he had been placed in the United States more than 20 years earlier, in order to burrow into the defense-industrial establishment to steal secrets," Joel Brenner, the head of counterintelligence for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, said in an interview. "It speaks of deep patience," he said, and is part of a pattern.

Other recent prosecutions illustrate the scale of the problem. Mak, whose sentence capped an 18-month criminal probe, was the second U.S. citizen in the past two weeks to stand before a federal judge after being found guilty on espionage-related charges.

On Monday, former Defense Department analyst Gregg W. Bergersen pleaded guilty in Alexandria to charges that he gave classified information on U.S. weapons sales to a businessman who shared the data with a Chinese official.

In March, the Reston company WaveLab pleaded guilty to violating export laws when it shipped militarily sensitive power amplifiers to China, according to court papers. A lawyer for the company said it neglected to get proper licenses and did not engage in "underhanded" behavior.

Dongfan Chung, a Boeing engineer arrested in February for allegedly passing classified space shuttle and rocket documents to Chinese officials, was accused in court documents of responding to orders from Beijing as long ago as 1979 -- making him a second alleged longtime agent.

Yesterday, federal prosecutors in Chicago indicted a software engineer for allegedly stealing business trade secrets and trying to take more than 1,000 paper and electronic documents from a telecommunications company on a one-way trip to China last year.

The cases are among at least a dozen investigations of Chinese espionage that have yielded criminal charges or guilty pleas in the past year. Since 2000, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials have launched more than 540 investigations of illegal technology exports to China.

The FBI recently heightened its counterintelligence operations against Chinese activities in the United States after Director Robert S. Mueller III cited "substantial concern" about aggressive attempts to use students, scientists and "front companies" to acquire military secrets.
 
   We will soon see just how loyal they really are to both the USA and Australia.
 
                                                          tigertony
 
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Enterpriser       8/31/2009 8:29:11 AM
WTF? And this Tiger crap is relevent to Herald's point/article how? Sounds more like an Anti-Chinese rant to me...........
 
My point that I was making in my attempt to be humourous was that it is not even known whether there was any actual corporate knowledge by ANL or its French partners/owners about the nature of the shipment in question - although I admit that transfers from NK are prima facie suspicious and the Flag of Convenience is also rather interesting......quite clearly, and quite rightly IMHO, Herald wanted to know what was up with all of this and I was attempting to highlight the absurdity of attempting to speculate on an article that leaves so many facts as unknown.
 
Brett.
 
 
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Hugo       8/31/2009 9:29:59 AM
Oh really Hugo?  
 
Yes really Tiger.  You cannot collectivize based on the actions of a few individuals.  Otherwise, Irish Americans are all IRA activists, Russian Americans suspected mafia members, Jewish Americans suspected Israeli spies and Tigers like yourself supporting Tamil Elam. 
 
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