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Subject: MINCS(L) AMP048.36 ? Army Mortar System Project
BLUIE006    5/31/2009 8:30:06 AM
Army's mortars will also be replaced with a new and more capable system, and the Government will equip our soldiers with new direct-fire anti-armour as well as automatic grenade launcher systems.


Any chance this will include a Self propelled mortar system and the XM395 PGMM ?
 
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doggtag       6/18/2009 10:10:33 AM



What about Raytheon's DAGGER? I am not a mortar or artillery expert so I would appreciate the views of some professionals on this system.

 

Herald


 
Could be the fact that it's so new, few of us have even heard of it.
This article from Raytheon is dated 01 June 2009, so it's not like it's gone mainstream press to the extent we've seen how Excalibur came on like hot cakes.

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New Raytheon-IMI GPS-Guided Mortar Rounds Demonstrate Tactical Capability During Tests

System ready for rapid fielding

YUMA PROVING GROUNDS, Ariz., June 1, 2009 /PRNewswire/ -- A new type of 120 mm precision-guided mortar round hit eight out of nine target areas during a recent U.S. Army-Raytheon Company (NYSE: RTN) cooperative research and development agreement demonstration.

The rounds made by an Israel Military Industries-Raytheon team hit short- and long-range targets, demonstrating greater range than current unguided 120 mm high-explosive mortar rounds in the U.S. Army's inventory.

The new mortar round, called 120GM DAGGER?, is guided by a GPS and inertial navigation system and enables soldiers to place a mortar within 10 meters (approximately 11 yards) of a target. DAGGER is being designed to be compatible with the U.S. Army's 120 mm Battalion Mortar System.

"The warfighter needs a precision-guided mortar and DAGGER meets that requirement," said Bill Patterson, Raytheon's DAGGER program manager. "DAGGER has demonstrated a high level of maturity, and we are ready to put it in production and get it to the soldiers in the field immediately."

During the demonstration, the U.S. Army fired DAGGER rounds at a variety of target areas located in mountainous terrain. The rounds were fired under field conditions, including minimum and maximum range and hot and cold round temperatures. Seven of eight rounds reaching the target area landed within 10 meters of their target, a level of precision impossible with an unguided mortar munition.

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Fact is, if it's a joint program between both IMI and Raytheon, these folks are the ones to do it.
Hopefully sooner than later, we'll see more of this gem.
I'm curious of its range envelope myself, as well as costs per.
And comparing a 10m GPS accuracy to a 1m laser-designated accuracy: unless you're in a reinforced bunker or an MBT, will those 10m really make much difference if it still lands near enough, being a 120mm round?
Even with GPS, you could still be the unlucky git to have it bulls-eye right on top of you or arm's-length away.
Worth looking into.
 
Thanks, Herald.
 
 
...for what it's worth, I dug up this article on the PGMM, from the US Army's Project Manager Mortar Systems.
My bad for stringing you guys along: I was unaware it was cancelled completely...
 
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BLUIE006       6/19/2009 3:40:25 AM
I tend to agree with Dogtag 10m Vs 1m accuracy is no comparison really, When considering that Mortar is often used in close proximity to friendly troops and in urban areas.
 
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Herald12345    I found company propaganda on DAGGER   6/22/2009 3:04:57 PM
 
First I hope the stupid video works.
 
Second from what I saw in the video, it is a charge-boosted snap-out fin-guided MISSILE launched from a smooth-bore mortar tube. It is not a mortar shell in the traditional sense. Those fins are there for LIFT as well as for steer control.
 
If it works as is represented then the MER is about that for the current US Army 120 mm mortar shell with the difference being a first round blindfire strike accuracy within the CEP of about 85%. Not bad, but not the 95% first round kill, I would want.
 
Miss is 4-6 meters claimed, not 10 meters as reported in the MSM.
 
I have no idea what each round costs. I'm assuming a lot of LAHAT type oleo lever fin steering technology went into it so I don't expect a very cheap round.
 
I allow the caveat that the round has been shown in some illistrations with puff jets; but I regard that as nonsense.since the fins I see, canard and tail control, would do the job just fine and are cheaper and more reliable. I wonder if you can put a laser sensor in the nose?
 
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doggtag    Thanx, Herald   6/23/2009 8:14:18 AM
The video worked fine.
 
4-6m? (that's not even 20feet)
Damn, I am impressed!
 
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