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Subject: White paper orders huge military build-up!!!!!!!!!
Volkodav    4/25/2009 3:36:57 AM
Ummm wow! How accurate is this? Patrick Walters, National security editor | April 25, 2009 Article from: The Australian KEVIN Rudd is set to announce Australia's biggest military build-up since World War II, led by a multi-billion-dollar investment in maritime defence, including 100 new F-35 fighters, a doubling of the submarine fleet, and powerful new surface warships. Play 12345Loading?Please login to rate a video.You can't rate an advertisement.(1 vote) Biggest military boost since WWII Kevin Rudd is set to roll out the biggest military build-up since World War II. 04/09 Sky News Views today: 396Sorry, this video is no longer available.The new defence white paper will outline plans for a fundamental shake-up of Australia's defence organisation to ensure that the nation can meet what the Prime Minister sees as a far more challenging and uncertain security outlook in Asia over the next two decades. China's steadily growing military might and the prospect of sharper strategic competition among Asia's great powers are driving the maritime build-up, which will see new-generation submarines and warships equipped with cruise missiles, and a big new investment in anti-submarine warfare and electronic warfare platforms, including new naval helicopters. The white paper will consider the emerging non-traditional threats to Australia, including cyber security, climate change and its associated risk of large uncontrolled people movements. Senior government sources say Mr Rudd has insisted that defence spending remain largely insulated from the Government's budget difficulties, but the Defence Department will still have to find at least $15 billion of internal savings over the next decade to help pay for the $100 billion-plus long-term equipment plan. Mr Rudd said yesterday the delivery of the white paper was proving "acutely challenging as we work to defend ourselves from the global economic storm". "It is the most difficult environment to frame the Australian budget in modern economic history. It is also the most difficult environment to frame our long-term defence planning in modern economic history as well," he told the Australia-Israel Chamber of Commerce. "Nevertheless the Government will not resile even in the difficult times from the requirement for long-term coherence of our defence planning for the long-term security of our nation. This is core business for government. That is why we have forged ahead in our preparation of the defence white paper because national security needs do not disappear because of the global recession. If anything, those needs become more acute." Funding pressures will mean the navy will not get a fourth air warfare destroyer, and the delivery of the first batch of the RAAF's F-35 joint strike fighters will slip by at least one year to 2014-15. The huge cost of paying for the next-generation defence force, due to be detailed in the white paper and the forthcoming 10-year defence capability plan, will have little impact on the defence budget over the the next four years. Apart from the air warfare destroyers and the F-35 fighters, most of the planned defence purchases will not have to be paid for until well into the next decade and beyond. Mr Rudd and Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon are expected to release the long-awaited white paper as early as next week, with the more detailed 10-year defence capability plan due to be published by mid-year. The naval build-up will be led by a planned 12-strong submarine fleet expected to replace the Collins-class boats from 2025. It will enable the RAN to deploy up to seven boats to protect Australia's northern approaches, including key maritime straits running through the Indonesian archipelago, at times of high threat. The white paper will outline the requirement for a new class of eight 7000-tonne warships equipped with ballistic missile defence systems similar to the three air warfare destroyers already on order that will eventually replace the Anzac frigates. A new class of 1500-tonne corvette-size patrol boats able to take a helicopter is slated to replace the Armidale-class vessels from the mid-2020s. The more robust maritime force will also mean the RAAF's veteran AP-3 Orion fleet being replaced with a mix of at least eight P-8 Poseidon long-range surveillance aircraft, together with up to seven unmanned aerial surveillance vehicles, possibly the US-made Global Hawk, operating out of an expanded Edinburgh air base in South Australia. The navy is also expected to acquire up to 27 anti-submarine helicopters. Mr Rudd has foreshadowed the maritime build-up as pointing to the need for Australia to accommodate "huge increases in military spending here in our own region". "If we are going to defend our sea-lines of communication to the rest of the world, we have got to make sure that we have got the naval capability to underpin that. And Australia must therefore
 
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hairy man       5/2/2009 7:27:37 PM
You seem to be forgetting that the 20 new combatants are replacements for the 14 Armidales.  As such why would you want to send them to the gulf?
 
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Volkodav       5/3/2009 2:10:11 AM
20 up to 2000 tonne helicopter capable offshore combatants to replace 14 270 tonne patrol boats is dramatic increase in numbers as well as capability. These new combatants will have more in common with the ANZAC's than the Armidales and as there will be more of them it only makes sense that they will be used for some roles that we currently would use an ANZAC or FFG for.
 
The only question is just how these vessels will be fitted out, i.e. will they have an intergrated combat system with VLS and a medium calibre gun or will they be limited to non deck penatrating weapon mounts and independant sensors?
 
If they are close to the ANZAC's in terms of capability then, when required, we could deploy them out side our region.
 
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StevoJH       5/3/2009 4:45:43 AM

20 up to 2000 tonne helicopter capable offshore combatants to replace 14 270 tonne patrol boats is dramatic increase in numbers as well as capability. These new combatants will have more in common with the ANZAC's than the Armidales and as there will be more of them it only makes sense that they will be used for some roles that we currently would use an ANZAC or FFG for.

 

The only question is just how these vessels will be fitted out, i.e. will they have an intergrated combat system with VLS and a medium calibre gun or will they be limited to non deck penatrating weapon mounts and independant sensors?

 

If they are close to the ANZAC's in terms of capability then, when required, we could deploy them out side our region.


From the sounds of it the 20 hulls will be replacing the 26 hulls we currently have of Armidales, Huons and the two classes of survey vessels
 
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DropBear       5/3/2009 7:42:50 AM
...it only makes sense that they will be used for some roles that we currently would use an ANZAC or FFG for.
 
We could use them as a longer ranging alternative than the Armidales and less expensive one than the frigates for when we need to sail south to recue French and Pommy yachtsmen. 
 
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BLUIE006       5/3/2009 10:18:46 AM
Kuang Hua V corvette -Displacement of 1,500-2,000 tons (Range 4000 nm)
"Small, 1,500 ton corvettes can offer a solution by way of their ability to apply appropriate naval force at the decisive point, at the decisive moment" (Smith 94).
 
Is this the type of thing they are thinking?
 
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gf0012-aust       5/3/2009 4:09:30 PM


Kuang Hua V corvette -Displacement of 1,500-2,000 tons (Range 4000 nm)

"Small, 1,500 ton corvettes can offer a solution by way of their ability to apply appropriate naval force at the decisive point, at the decisive moment" (Smith 94).

 

Is this the type of thing they are thinking?

no, they're looking at the austal concept.  different hullform
 
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DropBear       5/3/2009 11:03:25 PM
no, they're looking at the austal concept.  different hullform
 
Could that be something based on their MRV86 design?
 
I was thinking about the OPV70 until you mentioned the hull.
 
Curious.
 
 
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BLUIE006       5/4/2009 4:43:40 AM
As in the "Austral Multi-Role Vessel "
 
Nice choice...If i do say so myself.
 
 
 
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Volkodav       5/4/2009 5:34:39 AM

How good would these be after another tsunami, or on anti-piracy ops? That massive cargo deck opens so many possibilities.

 
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BLUIE006       5/4/2009 6:17:23 AM
A very good solution for Anti-Piracy Ops!!!!
 
 
 
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