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Subject: WTF - $43 billion bucks spent to improve porn download rates?!?!
Aussiegunneragain    4/7/2009 3:26:13 AM
So now that we are heading towards a recession with the prospect of a $100 billion dollar deficit over the next 4 years, our Dear Leader has decided to quadtriple the size of the National Broadband Network project to $43 billion bucks. Originally the project was "only" going to cost $9b, with $4.5b coming from the Government, but now the $4.5b will just be an initial payment. How much is the taxpayer going to end up paying for this monsterous white elephant of a project, $20b plus? WTF are people going to use all that bandwidth for anyway ... surely if the demand was really there then business would build it of its own accord? I don't know about you lot but don't want my taxes being flushed down the toilet by a Government making the old mistake of trying to pick winners. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Broadband price rise tipped under $43b plan Posted 2 hours 50 minutes ago Updated 2 hours 17 minutes ago Massive project: analysts are astonished at the upfront cost. (Reuters: Hannibal Hanschke, file photo) Video: PM announces broadband scheme (ABC News) Audio: Market rocked by Government announcement (The World Today) Audio: Press conference: Kevin Rudd unveils broadband plan (ABC News) Audio: Opposition slams Government plan (The World Today) Audio: Federal Government ditches broadband policy (The World Today) Audio: Tanner takes critics to task (The World Today) Audio: Dr Bill Glasson on the Government's national broadband network plan (ABC News) Related Story: Broadband plan 'a massive broken promise' Related Story: Rudd redraws broadband landscape Related Story: Tas gets first 'byte' at new broadband Related Story: Broadband network 'must accommodate rural needs' Related Story: Telstra defies downward market trend Related Story: Phone lines restored in NT Related Story: Disappointment over national broadband plan Related Link: Factbox: Key points about national broadband network Market analysts say broadband prices are likely to rise, after the Government unveiled an amibitious new $43 billion plan to build a national fibre-to-the-home broadband network. Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has scrapped the broadband tender process in favour of forming a public/private company to build and operate a network which will cost over four times the amount of the original $9.4b proposal. Mr Rudd says the network will take eight years to build and give 90 per cent of Australian households download speeds 100 times faster than they currently experience. The 10 per cent of homes not covered by fibre-to-the-home will get upgraded wireless access. But analysts are astonished at the upfront cost and say they have concerns about the network's commercial viability. "I've got no idea what's driving the Government to do this," Ivor Ries, an analyst with EL and C Baillieu Stockbroking, says. "They're saying a network that will deliver 100 megabits per second, that would exceed current household consumption by a factor of 100 times. "[That] allows you to download several channels of television at the same time. "[So] what it will do is create a market for people selling downloads to homes - people selling movies for downloads to homes will obviously be big winners from this. "But is it going to provide some sort of magic shot in the arm to productivity? Probably not." Mr Ries says the new network is only financially viable if 80 per cent of Australians choose the access provided by the new cables rather than wireless internet access. "If they get only 60 per cent of the population using it, and people preferring wireless over this new cable, then the monthly access fee they're going to have to charge people will be prohibitive," he warned. "At the moment the average Australian household is spending about $40 a month on accessing the internet. "Whereas this proposal will require the average household to be paying somewhere round about $75-85 a month. "So you're talking there about a $35 to $45 a month increase in the cost of basic access for the average household." BBY Stockbroking senior analyst Mark McDonnell says it is hard to see how the private sector could make a return on such an expensive project, unless broadband prices rise significantly. "It's both audacious and paradoxical," he said. "The paradox being that if you can't find private sector support for a proposition around building a fibre-to-the-node network which might have cost $10 to $15 billion, let's up the ante and make it $43 billion and still ask for private sector support. "How's that going to happen?" But telecommunications analyst Paul Budde says Australians are getting top-level technology without waiting for a commercial company to provide it, even if home use will only be part of the new network. "You have to look at it in a totally different situation," he said. "You talk about the use of the infrastructure; not just for internet. You talk ab
 
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Aussiegunneragain    Volkodav   4/12/2009 7:47:24 AM











Fielding is a goose, his opposition to it is most likely because he fears good Christians, such as himself, could be corrupted by high speed pornography. 



 













I disagree, even though I don't like his morality politics he otherwise uses his balance of power vote sensibly and I don't think that his concerns with this are anything to do with pornography. I hope he blocks it.






I disagree with individuals holding the balance of power. Whether the government of the day is Labor or Liberal they were elected to govern and deserve the right to do so. Having legislation reviewed and ammended is fine but having one person blocking every major bill that doesn't fit their narrow view of what the world should be flies in the face of democracy.


It is an unfortunate fact that Fielding will likely get a quota when he next faces a ballot, I just hope that either Labor or the Liberals get enough senate seats to make Fielding an Mr X irrelivant next time round. I would rather have an effective opposition or a middle of the road minor party that can be negotiated with and have the country run for the good of the majority than the current situation where individuals and interest groups can dictate to all.



No balance of power Senator can block a bill where enough of the rest of the Senate (usually as a result of the Opposition)  hasn't decided to do so. Therefore the notion that they hold some sort of unrepresenative power is a fallacy. Personally I find the notion that 50.1% of the vote in an election should gets a Government unfetterred power to ignore the wishes of the other 49.9% be more anti-democratic. I also find the notion that groups of people who would never vote for Labor or Liberal should never have to be considered to be equally undemocratic.  
 
As for the Opposition holding the BOP, that frankly doesn't work ... ask Gough Whitlam.
 
 
 
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       4/13/2009 4:16:31 AM
I've had ADSL2+ from Iinet for the last 12 months.
 
$69.95 per month for 15Gb during peak hours and 15Gb off-peak per month. I've already got VOIP, just so I can have a home phone should I need it, but one that costs me absolutely nothing unless I make calls...As I have a $79 Vodafone plan that provides me $700 per month worth of calls, I rarely if ever need to use my home phone.   
 
I regularly get download speeds of greater than 700k per second and I DO occasionally download rather large files, just to verify this... :)
 
Never had a problem with the service, never had a problem with the speed. An Itunes movie for instance downloads in less than 5 minutes. If I want a movie, I sign up, go and make a coffee, drink it and the movie is there...  
 
What the hell do I need a new fibre optic network at $200 per month, plus the outlay for a new modem, for?
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       4/13/2009 4:29:41 AM

I've had ADSL2+ from Iinet for the last 12 months.

 

$69.95 per month for 15Gb during peak hours and 15Gb off-peak per month. I've already got VOIP, just so I can have a home phone should I need it, but one that costs me absolutely nothing unless I make calls...As I have a $79 Vodafone plan that provides me $700 per month worth of calls, I rarely if ever need to use my home phone.   

 

I regularly get download speeds of greater than 700k per second and I DO occasionally download rather large files, just to verify this... :)


 

Never had a problem with the service, never had a problem with the speed. An Itunes movie for instance downloads in less than 5 minutes. If I want a movie, I sign up, go and make a coffee, drink it and the movie is there...  

 

What the hell do I need a new fibre optic network at $200 per month, plus the outlay for a new modem, for?


Er, that should have been: 15 minutes...
 
But still fast enough for me. 
 
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Volkodav       4/13/2009 5:12:50 AM
I can't get ADSL 2+ I am very lucky to have ADSL with many people in the new development down the street unable to even get that. Up to the mid 90's cable was being rolled out to the majority of new developments as well as established areas but this all stopped with the decission to privatise Telstra. All this new plan is is catch up.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       4/13/2009 7:07:44 AM

I can't get ADSL 2+ I am very lucky to have ADSL with many people in the new development down the street unable to even get that. Up to the mid 90's cable was being rolled out to the majority of new developments as well as established areas but this all stopped with the decission to privatise Telstra. All this new plan is is catch up.

So Telstra and Optus have made commercial decisions about what services would attract enough customers pay for themselves. Thats what private companies do and that is why privatisation is a good thing, it stops everybody else from having to subsidise uneconomic services. Stop expecting the rest of us to fork out to pay for the downside of YOUR decision about where to live. Quite frankly the sense of entitlement makes me want to spew.
 
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AMTP10F       4/14/2009 4:28:42 AM


A modern EMP resistant information network with a national firewall sectional defense architecture is just the EW ticket in a world filled with PRC bandits.

Mister Rudd may not be as stupid as some think.

Herald

The optical fibers themselves may be EMP proof but the servers, switches, routers, and power systems aren't.
 
Without those things the system is useless.
 
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cwDeici       4/14/2009 5:46:37 AM

I actually fully support the idea of internet on par with first world nations as opposed to our current snail pace.

 

1mb/sec is an international joke for a nation that keeps banging on about being lucky/clever/smart.

 

Not sure about the commercial arrangements though. Will wait and see.

 

Bring it on.

 

 



I await your continued slide into poverty with schadenfreude with sympathy, worry and more than a bit of schadenfreude... Continue wasting your money *sigh*.
 
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cwDeici       4/14/2009 5:48:33 AM
You need to spend all your money on saving the enviroment. Internet is great, but you could achieve the same effect by banning porn with hefty, hefty fines and physical punishment for being found wasting too much bandwith on it. Ration your lust...
 
Oh wait, you're a democracy - that would never pass.
 
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cwDeici       4/14/2009 5:49:43 AM
Not that I particularily hate porn, even if I disapprove of it outside of marriage or singles... but you should save your money for enviromental issues and just spend 10 billion on bandwith and use it more efficiently.
 
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cwDeici       4/14/2009 5:55:56 AM
Oh and piracy can be good in developing proper peer to peer networks, but you could also take the chance to reduce piracy and thus traffic.
 
This is buying votes or finding a way to shoot the stars and hit the original moon they planned to (that wouldn't be so bad, but it sounds like it won't pass and will outrage the politico-economic community)
 
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