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Subject: WTF - $43 billion bucks spent to improve porn download rates?!?!
Aussiegunneragain    4/7/2009 3:26:13 AM
So now that we are heading towards a recession with the prospect of a $100 billion dollar deficit over the next 4 years, our Dear Leader has decided to quadtriple the size of the National Broadband Network project to $43 billion bucks. Originally the project was "only" going to cost $9b, with $4.5b coming from the Government, but now the $4.5b will just be an initial payment. How much is the taxpayer going to end up paying for this monsterous white elephant of a project, $20b plus? WTF are people going to use all that bandwidth for anyway ... surely if the demand was really there then business would build it of its own accord? I don't know about you lot but don't want my taxes being flushed down the toilet by a Government making the old mistake of trying to pick winners.
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Broadband price rise tipped under $43b plan
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Massive project: analysts are astonished at the upfront cost. (Reuters: Hannibal Hanschke, file photo)

Video: PM announces broadband scheme (ABC News) Audio: Market rocked by Government announcement (The World Today) Audio: Press conference: Kevin Rudd unveils broadband plan (ABC News) Audio: Opposition slams Government plan (The World Today) Audio: Federal Government ditches broadband policy (The World Today) Audio: Tanner takes critics to task (The World Today) Audio: Dr Bill Glasson on the Government's national broadband network plan (ABC News) Related Story: Broadband plan 'a massive broken promise' Related Story: Rudd redraws broadband landscape Related Story: Tas gets first 'byte' at new broadband Related Story: Broadband network 'must accommodate rural needs' Related Story: Telstra defies downward market trend Related Story: Phone lines restored in NT Related Story: Disappointment over national broadband plan Related Link: Factbox: Key points about national broadband network Market analysts say broadband prices are likely to rise, after the Government unveiled an amibitious new $43 billion plan to build a national fibre-to-the-home broadband network.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has scrapped the broadband tender process in favour of forming a public/private company to build and operate a network which will cost over four times the amount of the original $9.4b proposal.

Mr Rudd says the network will take eight years to build and give 90 per cent of Australian households download speeds 100 times faster than they currently experience.

The 10 per cent of homes not covered by fibre-to-the-home will get upgraded wireless access.

But analysts are astonished at the upfront cost and say they have concerns about the network's commercial viability.

"I've got no idea what's driving the Government to do this," Ivor Ries, an analyst with EL and C Baillieu Stockbroking, says.

"They're saying a network that will deliver 100 megabits per second, that would exceed current household consumption by a factor of 100 times.

"[That] allows you to download several channels of television at the same time.

"[So] what it will do is create a market for people selling downloads to homes - people selling movies for downloads to homes will obviously be big winners from this.

"But is it going to provide some sort of magic shot in the arm to productivity? Probably not."

Mr Ries says the new network is only financially viable if 80 per cent of Australians choose the access provided by the new cables rather than wireless internet access.

"If they get only 60 per cent of the population using it, and people preferring wireless over this new cable, then the monthly access fee they're going to have to charge people will be prohibitive," he warned.

"At the moment the average Australian household is spending about $40 a month on accessing the internet.

"Whereas this proposal will require the average household to be paying somewhere round about $75-85 a month.

"So you're talking there about a $35 to $45 a month increase in the cost of basic access for the average household."

BBY Stockbroking senior analyst Mark McDonnell says it is hard to see how the private sector could make a return on such an expensive project, unless broadband prices rise significantly.

"It's both audacious and paradoxical," he said.

"The paradox being that if you can't find private sector support for a proposition around building a fibre-to-the-node network which might have cost $10 to $15 billion, let's up the ante and make it $43 billion and still ask for private sector support.

"How's that going to happen?"

But telecommunications analyst Paul Budde says Australians are getting top-level technology without waiting for a commercial company to provide it, even if home use will only be part of the new network.

"You have to look at it in a totally different situation," he said.

"You talk about the use of the infrastructure; not just for internet. You talk about healthcare, you talk about education, you talk about all sorts of services that have nothing to do with internet access."

As it announced the new network today, the Government also flagged a regulatory reform paper which analysts say will not be received well at Telstra headquarters.

"The big loser is Telstra because Telstra should have taken the lead," Mr Budde said.

"It has manoeuvered itself out of the process; if you've seen the regulatory document it absolutely doesn't give Telstra any room to do anything.

"If Telstra is not careful its whole network will be totally overbuilt by a much more interesting network, and it's left out dry."

Telstra has issued a statement saying it welcomes the Government's decision, and it says it looks forward to having constructive discussions with the Government at the earliest opportunity.

The smaller providers are very happy.

The Competitive Carriers Coalition is a group which includes Australia's third largest internet provider, iinet, as well as AAPT, Internode, Primus and Hutchison.

"I think it's clearly a very visionary approach that the Government's taken," coalition executive director David Forman said.

"In technology terms it's a real leapfrog.

"Everybody's business plan is going to have to be completely changed, because we're moving to a different technology; a future technology that people aren't using at the moment.

"Different people will respond more quickly, and will respond better, depending on how open-minded they are in terms of moving to that technology.

"But I don't think you can say that Telstra is suffering any disadvantage against anybody else.

"In fact, the very fact that they have so many customers at the moment means that they're in the best position of anybody to benefit from that change."

Optus, which entered one of the bids under the original tender process, also welcomed the Government's decision.

Director of government and corporate affairs Maha Krishnapillai says Telstra has been taken out of the picture and the telco will not be able to frustrate the process.

"Telstra does not have to be involved. It may well choose to be, but it doesn't have to be," he said.

Australia's competition watchdog, the ACCC, says it is a good move.

ACCC head Graeme Samuel says the plan will provide far better services than any of the companies involved in the tender process would have.

"This has leap-frogged us over all the yesteryear technology, into the new technology that will take us through into the 21st century," he said.

 
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AMTP10F       4/14/2009 4:28:42 AM


A modern EMP resistant information network with a national firewall sectional defense architecture is just the EW ticket in a world filled with PRC bandits.

Mister Rudd may not be as stupid as some think.

Herald

The optical fibers themselves may be EMP proof but the servers, switches, routers, and power systems aren't.
 
Without those things the system is useless.
 
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cwDeici       4/14/2009 5:46:37 AM

I actually fully support the idea of internet on par with first world nations as opposed to our current snail pace.

 

1mb/sec is an international joke for a nation that keeps banging on about being lucky/clever/smart.

 

Not sure about the commercial arrangements though. Will wait and see.

 

Bring it on.

 

 



I await your continued slide into poverty with schadenfreude with sympathy, worry and more than a bit of schadenfreude... Continue wasting your money *sigh*.
 
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cwDeici       4/14/2009 5:48:33 AM
You need to spend all your money on saving the enviroment. Internet is great, but you could achieve the same effect by banning porn with hefty, hefty fines and physical punishment for being found wasting too much bandwith on it. Ration your lust...
 
Oh wait, you're a democracy - that would never pass.
 
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cwDeici       4/14/2009 5:49:43 AM
Not that I particularily hate porn, even if I disapprove of it outside of marriage or singles... but you should save your money for enviromental issues and just spend 10 billion on bandwith and use it more efficiently.
 
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cwDeici       4/14/2009 5:55:56 AM
Oh and piracy can be good in developing proper peer to peer networks, but you could also take the chance to reduce piracy and thus traffic.
 
This is buying votes or finding a way to shoot the stars and hit the original moon they planned to (that wouldn't be so bad, but it sounds like it won't pass and will outrage the politico-economic community)
 
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cwDeici       4/14/2009 5:59:27 AM

The federal Greens leader, Bob Brown, said he supported the idea of an expanded national network. But the Family First senator, Steve Fielding, whose support will be vital if the Coalition opposes the legislation, was unimpressed. "The Government has had all the experts tender for this broadband network and been told by a panel of experts that 18 months after beginning the process it has to start again. What a waste of time."
 

Fielding is a goose, his opposition to it is most likely because he fears good Christians, such as himself, could be corrupted by high speed pornography. One of the things I like most about the internet is it makes it so much easier to identify and track perverts. Just look how many they are busting these days, where as before they could hide in plain sight through seeking positions of trust where they could access and abuse children, then intimidate them into silence.

 

I find it interesting that there are so many howls over the waste of money when Labor wants to build infra structure that will benefit most people yet propose to spend instead on new sports stadiums etc. i.e. SA Labor wants to build a new hospital and the opposition wants to build a sports and entertainment precinct instead....every time they win my naturally conservative leaning vote they go an do something I disagree with so intently that they lose my vote on conscience.



You seriously propose a Christian is against spending a ton of money on improving internet because he's afraid of him and his fellow Christians getting caught for accessing porn?
...
That's stupid. There certainly are hypocritical Christians, but by and large people do what they profess in, including Christians. You obviously have no better argument other than the one you bring on later in the post, but that has nothing to do with the former stupidity exhibited.
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       4/14/2009 10:22:06 PM

I can't get ADSL 2+ I am very lucky to have ADSL with many people in the new development down the street unable to even get that. Up to the mid 90's cable was being rolled out to the majority of new developments as well as established areas but this all stopped with the decission to privatise Telstra. All this new plan is is catch up.
 Perhaps, but ADSL2+ is many times faster than the cable Internet Optus and Telstra rolled out some time ago.
 
My parents still have it and the difference is significant...
 
Personally I think that money should go into rolling out ADSL2+ to greater areas.
 
1. Anywhere that has a standard copper phone line can get ADSL2+, provided the exchange is established for it, as I understand it. 
 
 2. It HAS to be cheaper than rolling out a new fibre optic network AND building the infrastructure as well...
 
Of course it ain't going to happen and just as their initial tender for National Broadband Network fell over, I think the current one will too. 
 
1. It's unaffordable. 
 
2. It can't provide what is promised.
 
3. The money can be spent on more USEFUL projects. 
  
Thanks labor. Spend $40 billion on something new we don't really need and forget entirely that it can be substantially achieved with an expansion of in-service products...
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       4/14/2009 10:32:25 PM
Out of interest,
 
I just tested my bandwidth of a few different sites and achieved between 11mbs and 14mbs download speeds from all the sites and between 0.6mbs and 0.82mbs for upload speeds. 
 
Of course I live about 500 metres from the exchange, but still it's pretty impressive...
 
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gf0012-aust       4/14/2009 10:51:30 PM
FMD I'm lucky to get 3.6m and usually get 160-984 using wireless broadband (2100mhz)
 
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gf0012-aust       4/14/2009 11:02:01 PM
The optical fibers themselves may be EMP proof but the servers, switches, routers, and power systems aren't.
Without those things the system is useless. 

considering that the Sth Koreans and the Sth Korean military are the most wired up country and military on the planet wrt to fibre optic and broadband, you'd think that a short phone call from us would reinforce that EMP protection against comms assets in a usable fashion is somewhat enthsiastic.

getting broadband and fibre is useful at a number of levels, but the cost to protect the entire comms infrastructure is almost impossible to achieve even if money was no object.

distributed redundant solutions are always better than the "eggs in one basket" syndrome.  I hope Krudd isn't seeing it as a strategic panacea

 
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Volkodav       4/14/2009 11:34:31 PM
distributed redundant solutions are always better than the "eggs in one basket" syndrome.  I hope Krudd isn't seeing it as a strategic panacea
 
My understanding is that wireless will continue to be evolved as a complementary system. The advantage is if most fixed sites go with fibre then this will take pressure off wireless allowing greater band widths for the users who need the mobility.
 
I like the affect the proposal has had on Telstra, they are being conciliatory and talking compromise for the first time in years. If Telstra was not in a monopolistic position in the first place there would be no need for government intervention as a workable solution would have evolved through competition. In the current situation however Telstra have the most of the infrastructure that was needed under their control and it was not in their interest to make it available to competitors nor was it in their interest to spend big on upgrading systems and service when the majority of people had no choice but to go to them.
 
An interesting parallel is the Australian Automotive industry. Compare Australian built cars with those available else where and they left a lot to be desired. There were however all the average person could afford. The tariffs were cut and Australian cars got better because they had to compete for the first time, near enough was no longer good enough. They came a long way but it appears they may now be sacrificed to save their overseas owners in the GFC. Its a shame but doesn't change the fact you have to spend a lot more money to get anything demonstatably better than an Australian built car.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       4/15/2009 6:57:47 AM

I like the affect the proposal has had on Telstra, they are being conciliatory and talking compromise for the first time in years. If Telstra was not in a monopolistic position in the first place there would be no need for government intervention as a workable solution would have evolved through competition. In the current situation however Telstra have the most of the infrastructure that was needed under their control and it was not in their interest to make it available to competitors nor was it in their interest to spend big on upgrading systems and service when the majority of people had no choice but to go to them.

There are still regulatory alternatives for dealing with Telstra, the main one being forcing a split of their network and retail buisinesses. That way they would have no incentive to deny access to any retail business. As for incentives for upgrades to the separated retail arm, if the market is there to justify the expense they will spend the money. They may have  monopoly power with respect to the customers (though this will shrink with the deployment of wireless) but they also have to compete with the squillion other companies in the share market. They aren't going to be turning up their nose at legitimate commercial opportunities and the opportunity to increase their share price. These are the options that should have been considered before Rudd and Conroy went off on their frolic on taxpayer's money.
 
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Aussiegunneragain    AD   4/15/2009 7:05:14 AM


  2. It HAS to be cheaper than rolling out a new fibre optic network AND building the infrastructure as well...

That is very true and a highlights a point that hasn't been raised here yet.. Apart from anything else the NBN is going to have to be put into separate easements to that already owned by Telstra for their copper network, which is a very significant proportion of the cost of any type of network (be it telecoms, gas, water or electricity). That is why network infrastructure is considered to have natural monopoly characteristics. It just isn't worth paying for two lots of easements when you can just upgrade the infrastructure in one of them.
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       4/16/2009 8:21:35 AM

FMD I'm lucky to get 3.6m and usually get 160-984 using wireless broadband (2100mhz)
Yep, it's by far the quickest Internet I've ever had and for $69 a month for 30Gb of downloads, you'd have to be purchasing an AWFUL lot off Itunes, to breach that... :)
 
I just ran a few more tests, this time offshore and now that I'm outside peak hours, min 13mbps and max 15.4mbps downloads...
 
I'm not gloating. Honestly... :)
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       4/16/2009 8:35:06 AM

You need to spend all your money on saving the enviroment. Internet is great, but you could achieve the same effect by banning porn with hefty, hefty fines and physical punishment for being found wasting too much bandwith on it. Ration your lust...

 

Oh wait, you're a democracy - that would never pass.


Monitoring bandwidth usage, isn't the answer. I can download 1.5gb movies from Itunes right now. It's perfectly legitimate, absolutely no copyright infringement whatsoever and yet, as is usual with large files, requires significant downloading bandwidth to achieve.
 
Or perhaps you are suggesting that ISP's can somehow monitor every single user 24/7, scanning ever single website they go to? 
 
A torrent website is fairly easy to identify right now. Introduce this sort of nonsense and it will be that much harder, for the monitors, the "wild" won't care...
 
Release your filter and it will be cracked every bit as quick as every single Window's release is, or an effective work-around will be developed within hours, if not minutes. 
 
Look at how well the Napster crackdown stopped peer to peer...
  
Want Limewire? 
 
Here it is:
 
ww.limewire.com/
 
Want the cracked version of Limewire Pro?
 
Here it is:
 
ww.frostwire.com/
 
Want bittorrent?
 
Here it is:
 
ww.bittorrent.com/
 
Just promise not to use these programs to download anything that might infringe copyright, before you use them, okay? :)
 


 
 
 
 

 
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