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Subject: Shornet announcement tomorrow morning
gf0012-aust    2/26/2009 5:03:28 AM
compliments of abe, via T5C, via press release:

DEFENCE MINISTER TO MAKE MAJOR CAPABILITY ANNOUNCEMENT IN RELATION TO AUSTRALIA?S FUTURE AIR COMBAT CAPABILITY

Who: The Hon Joel Fitzgibbon MP, Minister for Defence.

What: Defence Minister will a make major capability announcement, whilst welcoming the

Boeing and United States Navy Super Hornet team, visiting Australia for the Australian

International Air Show.

Where: RAAF Base Williamtown, Medowie Road, Williamtown.

When: Friday, 27 February 2009.

Time: 7:30am.
Media should gather at the security gate for pass issue.

The Minister will meet the Super Hornet team, which is in Australia for the Australian

International Airshow at Avalon, Victoria, on 10-15 March 2009.

A United States Navy early model Block I F/A-18F Super Hornet and one of the Royal

Australian Air Force?s classic F/A-18 Hornet aircraft will be on display.
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       2/28/2009 7:47:22 PM




So after all the carry on by Labor (in both opposition and government) that the previous Government was wasting money buying SHs they now admit it was a good idea?



 Cheers.



As much as I'd like to agree with you the process for ultimately buying the Shornet appears very flawed. It had been patently obvious for years that Australia needed an interim F-111 replacement and by failing to deal with this until the last minute the former Government did us out of the opportunity to run a competition to get a better cost/capability mix. There are also residual problems like the fact that our strike recon group aircraft won't be being fitted with JASSM while the F-18A's will, because of the original half arsed plan to have them cover for the F-111's.  That makes it more difficult for each formation to specialise in its intended role during training and operations. The only possible excuse that the former government has is that the promise of buying up to 100 F-35's may have gotten us a better deal for industry in the F-35 program, but I haven't seen any evidence to that effect and I don't think that a 100 F-35 buy is incompatable with an interim aircraft in any case. It would just be spread out over a longer period and would allow us access to later blocks of F-35's, as well as reducing the risk of block obsolescence.

Who says JASSM is NOT going on to the Super Hornets?
 
DMO certainly thinks it is...
 
 
 
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Aussiegunneragain    AD   3/1/2009 9:42:57 AM










So after all the carry on by Labor (in both opposition and government) that the previous Government was wasting money buying SHs they now admit it was a good idea?







 Cheers.









As much as I'd like to agree with you the process for ultimately buying the Shornet appears very flawed. It had been patently obvious for years that Australia needed an interim F-111 replacement and by failing to deal with this until the last minute the former Government did us out of the opportunity to run a competition to get a better cost/capability mix. There are also residual problems like the fact that our strike recon group aircraft won't be being fitted with JASSM while the F-18A's will, because of the original half arsed plan to have them cover for the F-111's.  That makes it more difficult for each formation to specialise in its intended role during training and operations. The only possible excuse that the former government has is that the promise of buying up to 100 F-35's may have gotten us a better deal for industry in the F-35 program, but I haven't seen any evidence to that effect and I don't think that a 100 F-35 buy is incompatable with an interim aircraft in any case. It would just be spread out over a longer period and would allow us access to later blocks of F-35's, as well as reducing the risk of block obsolescence.






Who says JASSM is NOT going on to the Super Hornets?

 

DMO certainly thinks it is...


 

 


News to me, I didn't even think it was integrated. Do you have a source?
 
Anyway, I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this one.
 
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Aussiegunneragain    Herald   3/1/2009 9:46:19 AM







Well upgraded Skyhawks are a bit of a stretch, but you get my drift.

















at the time they would have been good FACs and fast jet trainers...




The A-4 was and is the bumblebee of carrier aviation. Some people are still amazed that it can fly with such heavy loads so far and still be so agile.
 

I am one of those people!


 

Herald

I reckon that the A-4 was so good that if a company wanted to make a decent number of sales of an economical strike fighter to third world nations, all they would have to do would be to get the original plans from the 50's and start a newbuild production line using updated engines, avionics and composite materials.
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2    AG   3/1/2009 10:29:54 PM
Follow-on Stand Off Weapon - AIR 5418 Phase 1
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Prime contractor: An FMS case was established with the US Air Force in July 2006 to supply AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM). A commercial contract was signed with Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control in September 2006 for support for integration of JASSM with F/A-18F aircraft and supply of technical data and documentation

This project is acquiring JASSM for integration onto the F/A-18A/B aircraft to improve weapon terminal effectiveness against well defended targets.
 
ww.defence.gov.au/dmo/lsp/further_LSP.cfm
 
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Nichevo       3/4/2009 12:41:28 PM















Well upgraded Skyhawks are a bit of a stretch, but you get my drift.




































at the time they would have been good FACs and fast jet trainers...










The A-4 was and is the bumblebee of carrier aviation. Some people are still amazed that it can fly with such heavy loads so far and still be so agile.

 



I am one of those people!






 



Herald



I reckon that the A-4 was so good that if a company wanted to make a decent number of sales of an economical strike fighter to third world nations, all they would have to do would be to get the original plans from the 50's and start a newbuild production line using updated engines, avionics and composite materials.


Some airframes are just gifted.  Herald, I think he's got a good idea.  I wonder if the patents have expired?  Sounds like a viable business plan - and a good first subject for out virtualized manufacturing concept.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       3/8/2009 8:39:38 AM

Follow-on Stand Off Weapon - AIR 5418 Phase 1

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Prime contractor: An FMS case was established with the US Air Force in July 2006 to supply AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM). A commercial contract was signed with Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control in September 2006 for support for integration of JASSM with F/A-18F aircraft and supply of technical data and documentation


This project is acquiring JASSM for integration onto the F/A-18A/B aircraft to improve weapon terminal effectiveness against well defended targets.

 

ww.defence.gov.au/dmo/lsp/further_LSP.cfm

I think the author of this webpage has goofed as the FOSOW project was finalised before the SH decision was even made.
 
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Volkodav       3/9/2009 1:32:01 AM



Follow-on Stand Off Weapon - AIR 5418 Phase 1



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Prime contractor: An FMS case was established with the US Air Force in July 2006 to supply AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM). A commercial contract was signed with Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control in September 2006 for support for integration of JASSM with F/A-18F aircraft and supply of technical data and documentation




This project is acquiring JASSM for integration onto the F/A-18A/B aircraft to improve weapon terminal effectiveness against well defended targets.



 



ww.defence.gov.au/dmo/lsp/further_LSP.cfm




I think the author of this webpage has goofed as the FOSOW project was finalised before the SH decision was even made.


Cool a contract was signed, it's a sure thing now then!  Even if it doesn't ever work properly or may not even be accepted for service, if they are delivered at all, a contract means we still get to pay for them.
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       3/9/2009 3:47:50 AM



Follow-on Stand Off Weapon - AIR 5418 Phase 1



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Prime contractor: An FMS case was established with the US Air Force in July 2006 to supply AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM). A commercial contract was signed with Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control in September 2006 for support for integration of JASSM with F/A-18F aircraft and supply of technical data and documentation




This project is acquiring JASSM for integration onto the F/A-18A/B aircraft to improve weapon terminal effectiveness against well defended targets.



 



ww.defence.gov.au/dmo/lsp/further_LSP.cfm




I think the author of this webpage has goofed as the FOSOW project was finalised before the SH decision was even made.


JASSM is being funded and integrated onto RAAF Hornets and USN Supers in China Lake even as I write this...
 
I don't think any goof was made... 
 
A large amount of the integration work onto the Supers was conducted by the USN before they opted out and stuck with their SLAM-ER's. 
 
 
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Aussiegunneragain    AD   3/10/2009 4:32:06 AM







Follow-on Stand Off Weapon - AIR 5418 Phase 1









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Prime contractor: An FMS case was established with the US Air Force in July 2006 to supply AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM). A commercial contract was signed with Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control in September 2006 for support for integration of JASSM with F/A-18F aircraft and supply of technical data and documentation








This project is acquiring JASSM for integration onto the F/A-18A/B aircraft to improve weapon terminal effectiveness against well defended targets.







 







ww.defence.gov.au/dmo/lsp/further_LSP.cfm










I think the author of this webpage has goofed as the FOSOW project was finalised before the SH decision was even made.






JASSM is being funded and integrated onto RAAF Hornets and USN Supers in China Lake even as I write this...

 

I don't think any goof was made... 


 

A large amount of the integration work onto the Supers was conducted by the USN before they opted out and stuck with their SLAM-ER's. 

 




 
Why would JASSM be being integrated onto USN SH's if they opted out?
 
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gf0012-aust       3/10/2009 6:47:41 AM
I attended the JSF briefing today and JASSm was still in the weapons mix discussions re SHornet and JSF
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       3/10/2009 6:51:59 AM















Follow-on Stand Off Weapon - AIR 5418 Phase 1




















TOP















Prime contractor: An FMS case was established with the US Air Force in July 2006 to supply AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM). A commercial contract was signed with Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control in September 2006 for support for integration of JASSM with F/A-18F aircraft and supply of technical data and documentation
















This project is acquiring JASSM for integration onto the F/A-18A/B aircraft to improve weapon terminal effectiveness against well defended targets.















 















ww.defence.gov.au/dmo/lsp/further_LSP.cfm






















I think the author of this webpage has goofed as the FOSOW project was finalised before the SH decision was even made.














JASSM is being funded and integrated onto RAAF Hornets and USN Supers in China Lake even as I write this...



 



I don't think any goof was made... 






 



A large amount of the integration work onto the Supers was conducted by the USN before they opted out and stuck with their SLAM-ER's. 



 








 
Why would JASSM be being integrated onto USN SH's if they opted out?


Because we are paying for JASSM integration onto the Super Hornet and we don't have any Supers to do it ourselves, yet...
 
We are paying for USN birds to do the captive carry testing etc that wasn't completed, when USN pulled out of JASSM in 2004, or whenever it was...
 
 
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Aussiegunneragain       3/10/2009 6:59:27 AM































Follow-on Stand Off Weapon - AIR 5418 Phase 1










































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Prime contractor: An FMS case was established with the US Air Force in July 2006 to supply AGM-158 Joint Air-to-Surface Standoff Missiles (JASSM). A commercial contract was signed with Lockheed Martin Missiles and Fire Control in September 2006 for support for integration of JASSM with F/A-18F aircraft and supply of technical data and documentation
































This project is acquiring JASSM for integration onto the F/A-18A/B aircraft to improve weapon terminal effectiveness against well defended targets.































 































ww.defence.gov.au/dmo/lsp/further_LSP.cfm














































I think the author of this webpage has goofed as the FOSOW project was finalised before the SH decision was even made.






























JASSM is being funded and integrated onto RAAF Hornets and USN Supers in China Lake even as I write this...







 







I don't think any goof was made... 














 







A large amount of the integration work onto the Supers was conducted by the USN before they opted out and stuck with their SLAM-ER's. 







 



















 


Why would JASSM be being integrated onto USN SH's if they opted out?






Because we are paying for JASSM integration onto the Super Hornet and we don't have any Supers to do it ourselves, yet...

 

We are paying for USN birds to do the captive carry testing etc that wasn't completed, when USN pulled out of JASSM in 2004, or whenever it was...


 

Ahhh, makes sense then.
 
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Aussiegunneragain       3/10/2009 7:01:02 AM

I attended the JSF briefing today and JASSm was still in the weapons mix discussions re SHornet and JSF

Good news for capability but it makes the money that we are spending on integrating it into the legacy bugs for about 5-8 years sevice a complete ferking waste of time and money.
 
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Aussie Diggermark 2       3/11/2009 5:02:08 AM



I attended the JSF briefing today and JASSm was still in the weapons mix discussions re SHornet and JSF



Good news for capability but it makes the money that we are spending on integrating it into the legacy bugs for about 5-8 years sevice a complete ferking waste of time and money.


Unless our legacy Bugs need to go in harms way before retirement... 
 
 
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hairy man       3/11/2009 6:26:41 PM
I doubt very much that the Super Hornets will only have 5-8 years service.
 
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