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Subject: British army shows interest in Bushmaster
Volkodav    5/5/2008 8:21:17 AM
Mark Dodd | The Australian March 10, 2008
BRITISH army chiefs are showing increasing interest in buying the mine-resistant Australian-made Bushmaster vehicle for use in war-battered Afghanistan.

Reliable defence sources told The Australian an initial order for at least 20 patrol vehicles was under consideration. The armoured Bushmasters are earning a good reputation on operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, where the main threat is deadly roadside bombs.

A mission last month led by a British army colonel included an inspection of the Thales Bushmaster assembly plant in Bendigo, Victoria. The British military's chief defence procurer (land) Lieutenant-General Dick Applegate is scheduled to visit Australia in May.

Despite delays in production, the Bushmaster has emerged as a successful locally made defence product with 723 expected to be bought by the Australian Defence Force alone.

Capable of carrying eight passengers, the Bushmaster combines off-road mobility with a 1000km range and has excellent protection against mines and roadside bombs.

The Dutch military were sufficiently impressed with the vehicle to buy 25 Bushmasters in a deal valued at $31.7million.

But a potentially lucrative deal to sell 1500 Bushmasters to the US military under a licensing arrangement with US company Oshkosh fell through last year.

Australia Defence Association executive director Neil James blamed that decision on American unwillingness to deal with French company Thales - a hangover from France's opposition to the invasion of Iraq. US law also restricts the direct importation of foreign military products, even from Australia.

Meanwhile, the Royal Australian Air Force has accepted the fourth and final Boeing C-17 Globemaster into its fleet, completing a $2billion contract for the transport aircraft.
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According to Janes Defence the deal has happened, does anyone have anymore info?
 
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gf0012-aust       5/5/2008 11:01:21 AM
they've already bought them and some are in service.  numbers sold is classified.
 
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Yimmy       5/5/2008 11:33:19 AM

they've already bought them and some are in service.  numbers sold is classified.


What's the deal?  We have already bought Mastiff, the four by four version of Mastiff (I don't recall the name), and those rubbish Italian things.
 
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ArtyEngineer       5/5/2008 1:18:27 PM



they've already bought them and some are in service.  numbers sold is classified.



What's the deal?  We have already bought Mastiff, the four by four version of Mastiff (I don't recall the name), and those rubbish Italian things.
Huh?  You mean our very own Hummer clone?  I didnt realise it was Italian in origin.  But i see that it is.  Are any in service yet?

 
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Yimmy       5/5/2008 1:39:59 PM
I have heard rumours they are in service in fairly small numbers (I think the contract was for 400 or something), but I haven't seen any, and I don't know if any have been sent on operations.
 
 
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gf0012-aust       5/5/2008 4:10:30 PM

What's the deal?  We have already bought Mastiff, the four by four version of Mastiff (I don't recall the name), and those rubbish Italian things.

No idea.  Some have been bought already though.  Rumour is that it's triple figures.
 
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Arty Farty       5/5/2008 10:46:04 PM


Huh?  You mean our very own Hummer clone?  I didnt realise it was Italian in origin.  But i see that it is.  Are any in service yet?
 


They've seen service with non-Brit forces: Iveco LMVs in A'stan

Most likely the order was art of FRES - Piranha Vs have also been given the nod. However there's some serious defence budget cuts occurring the UK at the moment so the plans might never see the light of day. (Future Lynx has been offerred up as a sacrifice, good decision for the wrong reasons)
 
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1stcohort2       5/6/2008 3:58:57 AM
Why wouldn't they disclose the amount sold? Is is that much of a big deal?
 
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Yimmy       5/6/2008 6:54:22 AM
(Future Lynx has been offerred up as a sacrifice, good decision for the wrong reasons)


I would have thought that tactical helicopter transport is one of the last things we should be sacrificing. Or are other, less expensive, aircraft being considered?
 
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gf0012-aust       5/6/2008 7:18:58 AM

Why wouldn't they disclose the amount sold? Is is that much of a big deal?

their perogative.  australia also has weapons systems that we don't declare or make publicly available either, so I don't see am issue if they don't want to advertise how much kit they've bought.

they'll eventually publish it, but at this point in time its obviously an opsec issue for them...
 
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Volkodav    Now we know why they want Bushmasters as well as Mastiffs   5/9/2008 6:20:35 AM

Bushmaster for Brits

Bushmaster

    Getting tough

    The British Army has suffered casualties resulting from a lack of armoured vehicles.


    08 May 2008 from ADM

    Sources at Thales have confirmed the long-awaited British Army order for Bushmaster Infantry Mobility vehicles.

    However, neither Thales nor the UK Ministry of Defence has disclosed how many vehicles the Army has ordered, nor where they are being used, though ADM understands the initial batch is being evaluated in Afghanistan.

    The British Army has suffered heavy casualties as a result of its lack of armoured and mine-protected logistics and troop transport vehicles and has ordered several US MRAP (Mine Resistant, Ambush Protected) vehicles for units in both Iraq and Afghanistan.

    But ADM understands many MRAP vehicles lack the off-road mobility and robustness required for the roles in which they are used by British troops.

    Many have suffered axle failures and other breakdowns as a result of heavy off-road use.

    In April, however, the US government?s Defence Security Cooperation Agency notified Congress of a further possible Foreign Military Sale to the United Kingdom of 157 Cougar 4x4 MRAP vehicles as well as associated equipment and services worth up to $125 million.

    The Agency says Britain has requested these vehicles to provide for the safety of its deployed troops in support of Global War on Terror (GWOT) operations.

    ?This program will ensure the United Kingdom can effectively operate in hazardous areas in a safe, survivable vehicle, and enhance the United Kingdom?s interoperability with US forces? in Iraq and Afghanistan? where US assets currently provide this proposed capability.

    "By acquiring this capability, the United Kingdom will be able to provide the same level of protection for its own forces as that provided the United States forces.?

      

     
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    ThePuss       5/10/2008 4:14:24 AM
    I bet our army is doing the same deal they did for the Dutch army. I.E giving the Brits brand new vehicles straight from our stocks and then taking the extra vehicles when they roll of the the extended production line.
     
    It is good to help a allie, especially Britain. I just hope none of our units heading OS has to do with out. By this I also mean troops going to Timor and the Solomons as it is not unknown for the locals to take pot shots at our guys over there. 
     
    But all in all, excellent news for Australian industry (well mainly Australian industry:).
     
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    Yimmy       5/10/2008 1:20:40 PM
    It's what gets me about sub-standard media such as found in the "EU Referendum" blog defence pages.  They are pushing a strong agenda against WMIK's, and indeed all army vehicles which are not termed "MRV"'s or otherwise high off the ground with a V shaped hull.

    There is no lone vehicle which suits all scenarios.  MRV's may be well protected against mines, however they are not so capable off-road, where the WMIK's are in their element.  Equally, "EU Referendum" recently slated the choice to procure the Piranha wheeled armoured vehicles - vehicles which are needed for again their high mobility, their armour protection and low silhouette among other attributes which make them capable conventional warfare weapons.  We won't always be fighting terrorists and insurgents, and MRV's won't last long against BMP's.

    The Bushmaster looks like a good vehicle for what it is.

     
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    gf0012-aust       5/10/2008 5:17:34 PM

    as an aside, the other "cousins" have  also been seen driving around in gunned up and "guccied" bushies. - and theyare not dutch or brit bushies either as the locations they've been seen in are US AO's

     
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    Volkodav       5/11/2008 5:14:10 AM
    as an aside, the other "cousins" have  also been seen driving around in gunned up and "guccied" bushies. - and theyare not dutch or brit bushies either as the locations they've been seen in are US AO's
     

    Wasn't there a story going around that the US Army wanted the Bushie or MRAP but it was vetoed at the political level due to French ownership?
     
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    Volkodav    #### typos   5/11/2008 5:21:37 AM
    Wasn't there a story going around that the US Army wanted the Bushie for MRAP but it was vetoed at the political level due to French ownership?
     
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