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Subject: Two activists held aboard whaling ship
BLUIE006    1/15/2008 8:07:58 AM
Tuesday January 15, 10:59 PM Two activists held aboard whaling ship An Australian and a Briton are being held hostage aboard a Japanese whaling vessel in the Southern Ocean, the Sea Shepherd anti-whaling group says. Benjamin Potts, 28, of Sydney, and Giles Lane, 35, from Britain, crew from the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society vessel Steve Irwin, boarded the Japanese whaling vessel Yashin Maru No 2 about 5pm (AEDT), the group's international director Jonny (Jonny) Vasic told AAP. ADVERTISEMENT The ship was one of a fleet of five the Steve Irwin had tracked since January 1 but located on Tuesday, Mr Vasic said. The men boarded the vessel from a Zodiac boat to hand its captain a letter informing him that the vessel's crew was "illegally killing whales" in the Southern Whale Sanctuary. "When they got on board and delivered the letter they were not allowed to leave," Mr Vasic said. "The letter basically stated that they (the Japanese crew) were breaking the international conservation law against whaling in the Antarctic sanctuary." Mr Vasic said the men were tied to a radar mast for up to three hours in freezing conditions before they were taken to a locked room below deck. "We have a photo that shows that when they were held they were basically strapped by the arms with zip ties and tied with rope around their chests, and then they were held there for several hours in the cold, and then about two-and-a-half to three hours after that, they were taken below," he said. Mr Vasic said Sea Shepherd had contacted the British High Commission in Australia and the Australian Federal Police to report the incident. "We're hoping that the federal government and the British government will step up and do the right thing, which is demand the release of their citizens," Mr Vasic said. "We're trying to contact (the Japanese vessel) by radio. They are moving away from us but we're in pursuit and we are holding off on taking any further action until we know if the governments are doing anything." Mr Lane is an engineer aboard the Steve Irwin. Mr Potts is a cook. The Australian Federal Police (AFP) is investigating the incident. An AFP spokeswoman said a Sea Shepherd Conservation Society representative made a report to police early this evening, about 6pm (AEDT), saying two of their activists were being held on board a Japanese vessel in the Southern Ocean. There is no evidence at this stage that the pair had been tied to a radar mast on board that vessel, the AFP spokeswoman said. The incident occurred just inside the Australian Antarctic Sanctuary near the intersection of the coordinates 60 degrees south and 77 degrees east, a week's sail south-west of the Australian coast, Mr Vasic said. The encounter came after the Federal Court outlawed whaling in Australian Antarctic waters in a ruling the government said it would not try to enforce. - WHAT THE???? The Sea Shepherd Conservation Society earlier reported that the crew of the Steve Irwin had located five whaling vessels at 11.15am (AEDT) on the 60-degree south line. APP
 
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Herald12345    Research them.   1/16/2008 2:19:39 AM
Send a ship [or ships] in among them under your own research pennant to do cetacean migration pattern research. Load said ship [or ships] with a lot of TV cameras. FILM them at work. And then make a documentary about what the Japanese whale researchers do.  Send free copies to every broadcaster on Earth.

Make the conventions work for you, instead of trying to get around them.

One possible dodge is to send your research vessel after the same whale the Japanese are trying to "research". If there is a collision?  So sorry .  We were trying to tag the whale, oh boy, and you just happened to get in the way.

Its the USN way to handle the bump and scrape war.; And that is what you have here. Only nobody is bumping and scraping.

Maybe you should start with filming them, and then attempt the bump and scrape, if shaming isn't sufficient; if the whaling is that serious a problem, [and I believe it is.]

Herald

 
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gf0012-aust       1/16/2008 2:44:13 AM
 
Whats even more concerning is that the new Minister is demanding their release.  He obviously has not spoken to any Govt lawyers otherwise he'd find out that the protesters fit the definition of Pirates as soon as they did an unauthorised boarding.  The ships master is within his right to hold them in detention and have them charged under Japanese maritime law as well as approp international conventions.
 
One would hope that he'd actually check on the legal issues before making an ambit claim for recovery.
 
I loathe whaling in any of its forms, but these morons are not doing anything to help fast track the issue, and the Minister has just done a Nelson (made an announcement without doing his homework first)
 
 
 
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Gecko       1/16/2008 2:55:07 AM

Send a ship [or ships] in among them under your own research pennant to do cetacean migration pattern research. Load said ship [or ships] with a lot of TV cameras. FILM them at work. And then make a documentary about what the Japanese whale researchers do.  Send free copies to every broadcaster on Earth.

Make the conventions work for you, instead of trying to get around them.

One possible dodge is to send your research vessel after the same whale the Japanese are trying to "research". If there is a collision?  So sorry .  We were trying to tag the whale, oh boy, and you just happened to get in the way.

Its the USN way to handle the bump and scrape war.; And that is what you have here. Only nobody is bumping and scraping.

Maybe you should start with filming them, and then attempt the bump and scrape, if shaming isn't sufficient; if the whaling is that serious a problem, [and I believe it is.]

Herald


Governments already doing that as disscussed in another thread. Although one only ship I doubt would get quite the desired effect we need a few more. It comes down to how much Australia is will to spend. The whale watching industry here is around $600M/per year off the top of my head. It will be interesting to see if they start funding something themselves down the track.

I agree with bigfella while boarding was stupid legal wise, It has obviously had the disred effect making an international incident out of it which will bring more coverage and is not really good press for the whalers.

Current Japanese response is in the two links below. I don't know who their press advisor is but they aren't very good if they are looking to obtain international sympathy. I somewhat think this line of approach is more for Japan's domestic consumption.

www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23061496-12377,00.html
www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23061490-601,00.html



 
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Volkodav       1/16/2008 4:58:01 AM
Undoubtedly the Sea Shepards knew they were breaking the law but look what they have achieved.  Footage and photographs of two unarmed "peaceful" protesters being tied and zip strapped to the side of a harpoon boat for trying to deliver a letter to the captain of said boat to inform him of his violation of Australian law.
 
Talk about PR coup.
 
The follow up by the Japanese government and the "research" institute makes stating that the men will not be released until the Sea Shepards agree to their conditions it the icing on the cake.
 
The Japanese have just lost the PR battle and the way they are going the political battle isn't looking much better.
 
As an aside I heard some time ago that whaling is uneconomical and that the Japanese whaling industry has to be subsidised. Does anyone know if this is the case and if it is true why?  Is it to protect jobs or is it to pacify a vocal minority who see it as their cultural right to kill and eat anything they want?
 
 
 
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stingray1003       1/16/2008 6:10:09 AM
Im not advocating sending Naval vessels, I am thinking now is the time for oceanic viking to appear.
These two do not seem interested in settling difference by themselves. The
 
 Now the japanese aren't sure what to do, they are requesting Australia's assistance.
 
 Its an interesting situation. If they help the japanese then they are approving of what they are doing, if they help the Sea shepards then they are supporting a radical group. They both need a kick up the arse...
 
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gf0012-aust       1/16/2008 6:32:59 AM

Talk about PR coup.
 
The follow up by the Japanese government and the "research" institute makes stating that the men will not be released until the Sea Shepards agree to their conditions it the icing on the cake.
 
The Japanese have just lost the PR battle and the way they are going the political battle isn't looking much better.
 
the japanese govt rep is just as stupid as Stephen Smith.
They could have easily said that the protesters were arrested for an unauthorised boarding (piracy) and that they were going to be submitted to a Japanese court as the offence was committed on Japanese sovereign territory that is recognised under international law.  The Australian Govt would have not been able to challenge it as its a legal response to an illegal act.
 
As it is, we've got a former minister of the crown who's now a member of Sea Shephard referring to the morons as hostages etc etc.... and an australian govt crapping on about the use of australian assets to enforce the unenforceable.
 
what a cluster. unfortunately these peoples (protesters, campbell, smith and the japanese rep) are going to have their DNA live on via their children.....

 
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Herald12345    That would make it a total charlie foxtrot.   1/16/2008 6:53:16 AM
Whoa! How can this not wind up in arbitration? Who's going to referee this mess under the Antarctic Treaty?

GF is right. EVERYBODY stepped into the cowflop bucket on this one.

I don't see this ending with anything but brownstain on the faces of all concerned. It  won't  stop Japanese whale "research". It won't stop the Sea Shephards, It distracts the Canberra and Tokyo governments with a conflict best handled quietly and it  promises to create a wedge issue that harms people to people as well as government to government relations. Why can't the eco-crazies work with their friendly government instead of  stunting for publicity here?

What's more important here, stopping the whaling or getting a  headline?

Herald

 
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gf0012-aust       1/16/2008 9:07:12 PM

amazing!  someone else gets it as well.  it's a pity that the Minister and former Minister don't understand the basic rules governing international maritime law and what these muppets have done.

the only way to deal with the japanese on this is to
1) humiliate them at the legal level and show what a joke it's "research" argument is
2) start a buyer boycott on japanese goods if people are that committed.
 
now considering that people still buy chinese goods even though they might be abhorred by chinas invasion of tibet, then the chances of the latter causing people to stop buying toyotas, hitachi and panasonic good etc.... are even slimmer....
 
if this is going to be done then it has to be done within the confines of international law, not some emotive and aspirational vehicle of objection.
 
what people forget is that the master of that ship is entitled to take them into custody as they have by definition boarded that vessel without permission, and have allegedly thrown acid bombs on the deck - and that by definition makes it an attack as those objects are defined as missiles (as are rocks thrown by protesters etc....)
 
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Whalers threaten to take activists to Japan

Whalers detain Sea Shepherd protesters

Still held: Benjamin Potts (l) and Giles Lane (r) (Institute of Cetacean Research)

A spokesman for the Japanese whaling fleet says it will have no choice but to take two detained activists back to Japan if a dispute over their release is not resolved.

Australian Benjamin Potts and Briton Giles Lane have been held for two days since boarding the Japanese ship the Yushin Maru in the Southern Ocean.

Glenn Inwood from the Institute of Cetacean Research says the activists may have to be taken to Japan.

"Two men have committed a breach of international law by illegally boarding a flagged vessel," he said. "So really, at the moment, nobody wants those men, but they'll be taken back to Tokyo if they don't get off the boat."

Customs ship in sight

 

Also this morning, Foreign Affairs Minister Stephen Smith confirmed that the Japanese Government had formally approached Australia to assist in the return of the two activists.

Mr Smith says the Australian Customs ship Oceanic Viking is in sight of the Japanese fleet and could be used in the transfer.

"Obviously one option for rendering assistance is the use of the Oceanic Viking, and that is one of the options that we are currently considering," he said.

"I can advise that the Oceanic Viking is currently within sighting distance of some of the Japanese whaling vessels, including the Yushin Maru on which the two men are onboard.

"We are giving that urgent consideration and I hope to be in a position to give some further advice about that later in the day."

He says he has been assured both protesters are in good health.

"Last night I was formally advised by the Japanese Government that the two men are safe and well and this was confirmed this morning."

Mr Smith says it is the priority of both the Australian and Japanese Governments to secure the safe and speedy return of the protesters to the anti-whaling ship Steve Irwin.

The Japanese whalers have previously offered to return the men, but only if their Sea Shepherd anti-whaling group stops its protests. Sea Shepherd has rejected the demand.

The Brisbane-based mother of Mr Potts, Marianne Potts, says she is hoping for the safe release of her son but does not want to say anything which might inflame the situation.

 
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BLUIE006       1/17/2008 8:48:23 AM
Interesting discussion .....
 
 
which brings me to another discussion point...    Potential  for future  military conflict in Arctic  and Antarctica ...  maybe this warrants  a whole thread..
 
 
 
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mattersnot    Pirates   8/22/2009 7:27:02 AM

Now, reverse the situation.
  A Japanese ship, stalks, and then has it crew throw GLASS bottles of noxious, mild acid, at Americans. Is this not dangerous to a human being?
  Can glass cut, slash, and blind a human being?
 By ramming a vessel, with mega-tons of steel, and thrust, into an American vessel, not be an act of terrorism?
  Do we ever hear of the injuries to the crew of the other vessel? No. Yet, we all have seen the impact of colliding ships, and we all know, someone is getting hurt.
  Imagine a driver, ramming your car, on the road. No difference. NONE.
 The Steve Irwin, Captain Paul Watson , and his crew are terrorist and high sea pirates.
  No different then the Somalis who hijacked the Alabama, and were killed for doing so.
 Thus, the same measure of justice should be instantly implemented toward the Terrorist ship, "Steve Irwin.
 Because that is what America did to those who terrorized it's ship.
  And for a bit of horrible information, 2 years ago the original ship, the Nisshin Maru, while processing a whale, in it's bottom enclosed decks, the whale suddenly exploded. "Someone" placed a incendiary explosive in a partially dead/diseased whale. The fire was so extensive, the  Nisshin Maru, nor police were unable to properly identify the bomb. It destroyed the Nisshin Maru.
  Gee, I wonder, what type of sick human being, had the motivation for such a horrendous act?
  Again, had this been an American vessel, the American public would be screaming"Kill the bastards" ET...
  Yet,  a twisted irony is, , IT'S ALWAYS "OK" WHEN AMERICA ATTACKS SOMEONE. But God forbid someone do this to an American.
 Please go to the Irwin's web site, note the sponsors, and never buy there products again.
 After all, if Americans use lethal force for there ships, then so should the Japanese.

 
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