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Subject: AC-130 gunship
BLUIE006    3/8/2007 6:36:36 AM
Anyone think a couple of AC-130s would be a useful addition to the ADF......

I think they would be very useful addition ....ideal for bringing down heavy fire ...on milita in the jungles of timor
( or something similar)
 
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fall out       3/8/2007 7:53:01 AM
Ive thought about this a couple of times; C-130 herc's seem to be relatively cheap and surely the retro-fitted AC-130 gunships dont require a huge amount of capital to be injected in order to transform them into the gunships...
 
Does anybody have the cost per unit (roughly) of them?  Or if there is still a sufficient production and assembly line going (in the US)?
 
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DropBear       3/8/2007 7:23:03 PM
 
Not a fan of them personally. The Americans have use for them but we don't.
 
 
 
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Yimmy       3/8/2007 8:11:49 PM

 

Not a fan of them personally. The Americans have use for them but we don't.

 

 


Would you mind elaborating there?
You have boots on the ground don't you?  Why not support them with a gunship?

 
 
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DropBear       3/8/2007 8:33:01 PM
 
The ADF doesn't support them with anything now anyway.
 
CAS and RAAF don't go together in the same sentence.
 
 
 
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Yimmy       3/8/2007 9:12:17 PM

 

The ADF doesn't support them with anything now anyway.

 

CAS and RAAF don't go together in the same sentence.

 

 



All the more reason to go and bloody get some then!!!
 
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DropBear       3/8/2007 10:02:44 PM
 
Why???
 
That is what the USAF is for.
 
 
 
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BadNews       3/8/2007 10:41:15 PM

 

Why???

 

That is what the USAF is for.

 

 


The last that I knew, the USAF wasn't flying over Timor very much, You mean that steady stream of Tracer's would not be a benefit there once inawhile?
 
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fall out       3/8/2007 11:30:15 PM
"The AC-130H is produced at a cost of US$132.4 million, and the AC-130U is produced at a cost of US$190 million (fiscal 2001 constant dollars). Currently there are eight AC-130H and thirteen AC-130U aircraft in active duty service. link href="http://www.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=71" rel=nofollow>[3] The AC-130 gunship series is expensive to maintain due to the wide variety of equipment installed"
 
So they are pretty damn expensive to purchase and maintain...im sure we could cope without them... :)
 
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DropBear       3/9/2007 2:27:03 AM
The last that I knew, the USAF wasn't flying over Timor very much, You mean that steady stream of Tracer's would not be a benefit there once inawhile?

When was the last time in Timor the ADF was required to pour thousands of rounds into the jungle?
 
ADF + AC-130 = waste of time and money.
 
Why do you think the Army has helo gunships?
 
Quite adequate for our needs.

 
 
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Aussie Digger       3/9/2007 5:45:47 AM

The last that I knew, the USAF wasn't flying over Timor very much, You mean that steady stream of Tracer's would not be a benefit there once inawhile?

When was the last time in Timor the ADF was required to pour thousands of rounds into the jungle?

About a week and a half ago... :)
 
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Volkodav       3/9/2007 6:29:21 AM
I remember reading during the LIFT program, that resulted in the purchase of the Hawk, that the RAAF made it very clear that the program was for the aquisition of a lead in trainer and that CAS was not a requirement and that any excess capability in that area would in actual fact be regarded unfavorably.
 
The RAAF are by their own admission very concerned that they may be distracted from what they see as their primary roles if they are expected to provide any serious level of support to the Army or Navy.
 
It was all very well to promise that they would defend the fleet from air attack when they were fighting the carrier replacement program and that they would give  the Army all the CAS it could ever want when it was trying to keep the Blackhawks and earlier when it successfully scuttled a planned AH-1 Cobra purchase.  Bt now those issues have been decided, for better or worse, the RAAF has gone back to its old ways of believing that every military objective can be acheived through the destruction of point targets by advanced strike aircraft.
 
I'm just waiting for the suggestion that the Navy aquires stealthy cruise missiles for the AWD's and Collins in place of the entire F-35 purchace.  It would be just as detrimental as building up the fighter strike force to the detriment of the Army and Navy.  Balance is what is needed, but not what we are getting.
 
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