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Subject: The Australian: Aussie commandos battled Taliban
tjkhan    9/27/2006 7:32:09 AM
Aussie commandos battled Taliban 27sep06 AUSTRALIAN commandoes battled hundreds of Taliban fighters and the nation's helicopters braved enemy fire to evacuate wounded coalition soldiers in the toughest fighting experienced by Australian troops since Vietnam. The brave action of Australian troops during a 10-day action involving 500 coalition forces in a small Afghanistan valley was revealed by defence commanders for the first time today. The offensive was launched by Australian helicopters which landed coalition forces directly on a compound in a bid to capture an enemy commander - resulting in a ferocious battle with hundreds of Taliban. At one crucial point in the fighting, Australian helicopters braved a torrent of enemy fire to evacuate the wounded soldiers of other coalition partners. Australian commandoes on the ground then joined the fighting with the 500-strong coalition force, fighting pitched battles with the enemy where they were forced to surround their vehicles which were being peppered by enemy fire. Astonishingly, no Australians were killed. Major General Mike Hindmarsh, the head of the Australian Defence Force Special Operations Command, has revealed details of the battle for the first time. ?Apart from a number of concussions from exploding RPG (rocket-propelled grenade) rounds and minor shrapnel injuries, there were no casualties,? he said. ?The vehicles on the other hand were peppered with bullet and fragmentation holes.? privacy terms © The Australian
 
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Hastatii       9/27/2006 7:44:43 AM
What I would like to know, is these battles were quite rare 1.5 years back and now its essentially a daily occurance, with daily suicide bombings the norm. Somebody is financing these pricks that were not doing so earlier (at least to an extent).
 
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AussieEngineer       9/27/2006 8:39:04 AM
sometimes I wonder about the wisdom of invading afghanistan.  I think we may be trying to fight a unconventional war with conventional tactics
 
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fall out       9/27/2006 10:11:36 AM

sometimes I wonder about the wisdom of invading afghanistan.  I think we may be trying to fight a unconventional war with conventional tactics

Sometimes I wonder about the wisdom of invading Iraq and expending over $400 billion (just the US)
on a war that had absolutely nothing in the very slightest to the war on terror OR WMDs (the two reasons for invading in the first place!!) and taking the focus away from the real battleground in the WOT; Afghanistan!!  I wonder about the wisdom of draining all foreseeable goodwill towards America by the globe's nations (bar a few) immediately post-9/11.  I wonder about the wisdom of alienating the entire Muslim community and sowing the seeds for many, many, many potential terrorists in the future.  I wonder about the wisdom of destabilizing the world's petrol station...
 
I could go on?...
 
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displacedjim       9/27/2006 10:55:08 AM
Oh we know you could: you go on about America and American policy all the time, like how you just tried to turn this Aussie thread into an America-bashing thread.  Of course, taking the time to do so is worth about as much as it would be for me to go on about Howard or maybe the Greens.  But hey, please, feel free.
 
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tjkhan    America-bashing?   9/27/2006 5:03:21 PM

Oh we know you could: you go on about America and American policy all the time, like how you just tried to turn this Aussie thread into an America-bashing thread.  Of course, taking the time to do so is worth about as much as it would be for me to go on about Howard or maybe the Greens.  But hey, please, feel free.


No, this is not about bashing America. My intention was to highlight that our troops are getting into the thick of it, nothing more. The reality is we are likely to take casualtiers in the coming months and we have to be prepared for that. So, let's keep on theme.
 
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gf0012-aust       9/27/2006 6:47:19 PM




Oh we know you could: you go on about America and American policy all the time, like how you just tried to turn this Aussie thread into an America-bashing thread.  Of course, taking the time to do so is worth about as much as it would be for me to go on about Howard or maybe the Greens.  But hey, please, feel free.




No, this is not about bashing America. My intention was to highlight that our troops are getting into the thick of it, nothing more. The reality is we are likely to take casualtiers in the coming months and we have to be prepared for that. So, let's keep on theme.



 
tj, I think dj was referring to fallouts spray.
 
as for me, I think that australia should have focussed resources on the afghan side of the business anyway. - but thats due to  a variety of reasons - none of them being idealogical.
 
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Hastatii       9/27/2006 7:35:19 PM

Oh we know you could: you go on about America and American policy all the time, like how you just tried to turn this Aussie thread into an America-bashing thread.  Of course, taking the time to do so is worth about as much as it would be for me to go on about Howard or maybe the Greens.  But hey, please, feel free.

Tell that to one of your, humvee boys traveling on the road in Iraq each day. They'll tell how they want to go home where there is less risk of being blown to smithereens. Not stay their and chase imaginary WMDs.

 
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AussieEngineer       9/27/2006 8:25:23 PM
There's no America bashing in my post mate, so pull your head in.
Oh we know you could: you go on about America and American policy all the time, like how you just tried to turn this Aussie thread into an America-bashing thread.  Of course, taking the time to do so is worth about as much as it would be for me to go on about Howard or maybe the Greens.  But hey, please, feel free.



 
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Coota       9/27/2006 8:44:53 PM
Yeah but Displacedjim is talking about FO's other thread. And he has been pretty scathing in that...

FO, the war in Iraq was supposed to be about WMDs, at the time all intelligence agencies agreed there was an issue, our's the US's and the Europeans. We were all wrong.

$400 billion spent on Operatrion Iraqi Freedom is a sh1te load of money and sure it could've been better spent on oil proofing the US/world economy. However, to think that we could just pull out now is crazy-talk. A move like that would embolden the jihadists more than anything. This fight has been brewing for awhile. To be honest if we really want to look at the reasons for the Terrorist movement and the increase in activity since 9/11 we should look at all of the West's decisions regarding the Middle East since the second world war. This is not something that has materialised over the last 6 or so years. This situation has been forming for some time. As was reported in the papers today, we should expect the war on terror to continue in one form or another for the next decade +.

Collectively the West sowed the seeds for our current predicament, unjust policies related to oil are at the root of the issue, not to mention the lack of 'real' sophisticated national leadership in the Middle East. Islamic Fundamentalism has emerged as a result of poor governance and an unequal division in oil revenues - people like to have someone to blame and unfortunately that means us (NOT JUST THE US).

What we need (and this is where I agree with you) is a major effort to ween the developed world off cheap oil. We have the nous and the economic resources to do it. We must act now, so that our children don't have to continue the fight. And while that effort starts up and moves on we need to confront Fundamentalism head-on. There can be no retreat AND we cannot show weakness.

I say Beazley is WRONG about Iraq but right about Sth East Asia. We need to be active in all theatres. In my opinion, we should utilise Police and Intelligence assets in Sth East Asia (afterall there is no-where or no situation that warrants the ADF in Sth East Asia), BUT there are in Iraq and Afganistan.

 
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scraw       9/27/2006 9:16:25 PM




Oh we know you could: you go on about America and American policy all the time, like how you just tried to turn this Aussie thread into an America-bashing thread.  Of course, taking the time to do so is worth about as much as it would be for me to go on about Howard or maybe the Greens.  But hey, please, feel free.



Tell that to one of your, humvee boys traveling on the road in Iraq each day. They'll tell how they want to go home where there is less risk of being blown to smithereens. Not stay their and chase imaginary WMDs.


If we actually used the HMMWV you might have a point.

 
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