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fall out RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 9:24:13 AM

Impossible to tell as pollies and soceity in general were VERY different back then, VERY different attitudes, so i suppose it would be a different ride that's for sure with little faggot in charge... ;)

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DropBear RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 10:04:53 AM

Good to see you up to your old tricks of insulting the PM. Anyway, I want to know what people would think of Howard, Hill, Costello etc and how they would have prosecuted the war. Would Howard have increased defence spending moreso than Curtain? Would Hill have made a better DefMin etc etc etc. Not talking about the attitudes of society, I'm talking about transposing current Government into WW2 scenario. Thoughts...

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fall out RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 10:27:04 AM

yeah i realise but the attitudes of society dictate that of the attitude of pollies so... as 4 what they would do i have no f'ing clue, just too hard to know, esp coz im tired and it's late... ;)

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DropBear RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 10:29:31 AM

No excuses Mildy. Suck it up marine! P.S. Check ya email ya Lefty doofus. ;)

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SSGT Kingston RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 12:43:18 PM

John Howard in WW2? well all i ask for is for him to have the guts to tell Churchill to get ferked when he wanted to keep our divisions in 1942. Otherwise, aslong as he dosent lose, im all for it.

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bigfella RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 1:12:11 PM

Sorry DB, this is VERY silly. it simply isn't possible to make that sort of transposition. All I would say is that Australia got its greatest ever PM during WW2 in John Curtain. He gave his life for Australia as surely as any soldier. The sort od crass opportunism, rampant ideology and lack of respect for the rule of law that pass for politics in Australia at the moment disgrace the memory of men like Curtain. There have been few enough politicians in Australian history fit to fill his shoes, I don't see any at the moment.

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sorebigtoe RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 6:41:57 PM

Well any invaders would be declared illegal immigrant and lock in detention until their applications are processed.

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DropBear RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 8:18:05 PM

Sorry DB, this is VERY silly. it simply isn't possible to make that sort of transposition. Hmph. No imagination you lot. ;(

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Weasel RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 9:03:32 PM

OK DB, I'll play; I think with Johnny being so pro queeny that Churchill would have found him a push over. He would have kept your (correct me if I've got the wrong corps or division) 7th Division in North Africa. Japan would have captured Port Moresby as a result from over land. That would have negated the need for an amphib invasion force and hence Coral Sea wouldn't have happened. South Pacific command would then probably attempt to build up more troop reserves at Fiji, or Australia. (debatable) Australian public would probably have lost confidence in government once Port Moresby fell and howled bloody murder to bring your troops back from Norht Africa. I can't really develop it further than that. But I think because of his undue influence from foreign powers (notably mother england) Johnny would make some serious gaffs, which would either finish his government and/or make it very difficult for Australia to get their chestnuts out of the fire. Churchill didn't give a flying frag about Australia (as he publicly demanded that Australian troops stay in North Africa at the demise of Australia)when the Japs were sweeping across the SE Asian Archipeligo and Johnny would have followed his lead. To give him his due I think he would have realized his mistake, but by then it would be too late. How's that? This is my first alternative history attempt... WOFTAM, but I can't sleep.

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DropBear RE:HYPOTHETICAL: 1939 - 1945, John Howard wartime PM 10/27/2005 9:27:52 PM

Don't you think Howard is pro-USA enough that had he been PM then, he would have sided with the American Admin more and thumbed his nose at Churchill? Perhaps we would have pulled more forces out of the European theatre (Bomber/Coastal Command forces etc)and placed them into Pacific. Peter Costello is a Republican, so he wouldn't be listening to Churchill. Both stubborn minds. I'm not sure how Sen. Hill swings, but he seems publicly to have a cool head for defence. I reckon PNG/Moresby wouldn't fall, rather the Oz AIF would launch a pre-emptive strike on Japanese territory. Remember John Howards plan that troubled our northern neighbours about pre-emptive strikes on terrorist cells and the notion people have of Oz being the deputy-sherrif of the USA in the Pacific. I think the current Government would prosecute the war markedly different from how history shows us it was done then. Not talking about hindsight, merely the leadership/ideological differences. Thoughts...

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