CARRIER FORCE 2005 - HMAS Melbourne in the modern era

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doggtag I read 'em, DB. But I at least wanted to modernize my A-4s, too! 9/25/2005 12:33:42 AM

Notice I didn't say anything in all the supporting paragraphs about the JSF. I'm DID, however, express my concern of keeping the Scooter up-to-date enough to tangle with F-16s and other modern threats. Little or no modern air-to-air or air-to-surface combat takes place at supersonic speeds. Subsonic performer that it is, the A-4 has always excelled at its mission, even when pressed as a makeshift adversary fighter. But to keep it in service means you gotta keep its teeth sharp: what good is a modernized Melbourne if her Scooters are still puttering around with 1970s and 1980s technology?

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DropBear doggtag...also 9/25/2005 12:36:38 AM

Why would we possibly want AIM-9X when we have Asraam? a) Why bother? Too much R&D to fit a new engine and possibly create an entirely new derivative plane. b) to d) As per a). e) You could use Project Kahu cackpit and avionics. f) If an USMC A-4M could lug it, be my guest. g) Popeye weighs 1300kg. You be the judge. h) Yep. RNDF had Sgt. Fletcher buddy gravy strokes. i) The RAN is stuck with them, so you can jolly well put up with them too! ;) j) to k) Have money will travel, right? ;)

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DropBear RE:I read 'em, DB. But I at least wanted to modernize my A-4s, too! 9/25/2005 12:38:44 AM

But to keep it in service means you gotta keep its teeth sharp: what good is a modernized Melbourne if her Scooters are still puttering around with 1970s and 1980s technology? link

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gf0012-aust RE:I read 'em, DB. But I at least wanted to modernize my A-4s, too! 9/25/2005 12:40:13 AM

"But to keep it in service means you gotta keep its teeth sharp: what good is a modernized Melbourne if her Scooters are still puttering around with 1970s and 1980s technology?" which is why I mentioned am ANZAC flight - use the kiwis scooters as they were the better beast.

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southern cross RE:SC 9/25/2005 12:40:53 AM

>>>I would think that at least a 15x frigate/destroyer and 8x collins navy would be needed, is that the case or is it everything we have now + Melbourne? Why??? We didn't have those when she was around before. Don't remember 8 O-boats protecting Melby. Curious.<<< Well unlike Collins the Oberons were not designed with the ability to act as a fleet type vessel, the collins cant perform it in the same capacity as a nuke but they can do it. Collins can go further, stay under longer, hear more, etc. So they are more suited as an escort. Why 8? well lets go on the assumption that half our boats can't be deployed overseas because they are in refit, recovering from deployment, working up for one, or conducting local exercises with other RAN vessels. That leaves 4, 1 might be in the pacific on say a RIMPAC type international exercise, 1 may be lurking at 'x' conducting 'x' need I say more, 1 may be on a more public asian tour up north, and 1 can hold the CV's hand. 8 would also leave some room if god forbid we lose a sub, if we lose 1 of 6 then things get even more stretched.

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DropBear RE:SC 9/25/2005 12:43:29 AM

Perhaps I missed the point, but I don't see why you need 8 Collins to support one carrier? Are we still talking about that or are you pondering a eight sub force what if...?

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southern cross RE:SC 9/25/2005 12:46:39 AM

I'm talking about 8 sub force total, with 1 or maybe 2 subs to support the carrier at any one time. We need to carry out ordinary duties, unless you are saying our whole navy should be centred around the Carrier, in which case I would be against such an asset.

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southern cross RE:SC 9/25/2005 12:52:00 AM

I meant the same with the surface ships, 15 includes the current vessels doing thier current duties.

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DropBear RE:SC 9/25/2005 12:56:03 AM

I wasn't aware that our entire navy centred around the carrier before?

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DropBear RE:SC 9/25/2005 12:57:52 AM

Did we not have independant destroyer sqns with accompanying destroyer escorts that operated away from the carrier, as well as her escort? Did Vendetta, Vampire and Voyager not have other duties in their service? Curious.

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