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Subject: Guard, Reserves To Be Reorganized
macawman    7/14/2003 9:57:09 AM
Washington Times
July 14, 2003
Pg. 1

Rumsfeld orders new plans by end of the month
By Rowan Scarborough, The Washington Times
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld has ordered the Army, Air Force,
Navy
and Marines to draft plans for a sweeping restructuring of the
900,000-strong National Guard and reserve forces.
In a July 9 memo to the four service secretaries and the Joint Chiefs
of
Staff chairman, Mr. Rumsfeld said he wants to reduce the need for
calling up
large numbers of reservists in a war and to do away with it altogether
in
the first 15 days of a crisis. He also does not want any unit called up
for
more than one year in any six years.
"I consider this a matter of the utmost urgency," Mr. Rumsfeld said in
the
three-page memorandum, a copy of which was obtained by The Washington
Times.
He wants the military's plan by the end of this month as he continues
to
adjust the total force for a long global war on terrorism.
The defense secretary suggests that civilians, corporations or
technologies
could perform some reserve roles.
A military official said one option is to redirect the Guard and
reserves to
homeland defense and shift overseas-deploying reserve units to the 1.4
million active force.
Larry DiRita, a Rumsfeld spokesman, said September 11 is spurring the
Pentagon to look at all sorts of changes, including rebalancing the
active
and reserve forces.
"His objective is making sure that every time you want to take action
in the
world we're in now, you don't have to call up a lot of reserves to do
it,"
Mr. DiRita said.
The reserves are home to a number of units that are crucial to winning
wars
and stabilizing global hot spots. There are now 204,000 Guardsmen and
reservists on active duty. Many of the 10,000 military police in Iraq,
for
example, are reservists.
Mr. Rumsfeld has complained that too many war-fighting skills lie
exclusively, or nearly exclusively, in the reserves. This means the
full
deployment of troops overseas for a crisis is delayed while those units
are
mobilized.
Most Army civil-affairs soldiers are reservists. They are playing
critical
roles in both Afghanistan and Iraq as peacekeepers. The soldiers
provide
humanitarian aid and improvements to homes, hospitals and schools.
The Air Force relies heavily on reserves to man its aerial refueling
fleet,
while the Army must often call up military-police units in a crisis.
Mr. Rumsfeld's memo sets out 10 "actions for force rebalance" - a
phrase
that means he wants to see plans for moving some reserve units to
active
duty and some active-duty units to the reserves.
"Specifically address capabilities that reside exclusively or
predominately
in the [reserve component] and are in high demand because of on-going
operations and the Global War on Terror, capabilities that are required
for
homeland defense missions and capabilities critical to post-hostilities
operations," the July 9 Rumsfeld order states.
The secretary also wants the services to develop ways, such as
increased
pay, to induce reservists to volunteer for active duty when needed.
"Make the mobilization and demobilization process more efficient," the
Rumsfeld memo states. "When reservists are used, ensure that they are
given
meaningful work and work for which alternative manpower is not readily
available. Retain on active duty only as long as absolutely necessary."
Robert Maginnis, a retired Army lieutenant colonel and a TV military
analyst, said the changes Mr. Rumsfeld is talking about would reverse
changes made after the Cold War ended. Then, units were shifted to the
reserves to help shrink the active force from 2 million to today's 1.4
million.
"The type of people we're putting into the reserves are the types of
people
we now need on active duty to fight the war and who specialize in
stabilization," Mr. Maginnis said. "What future thinkers said
peacekeeping
operations would be a primary mission for a large part of the force?
They
didn't. Future thinkers didn't envision we would have 9/11."
This is not the first memo Mr. Rumsfeld has sent out on the issue.
In November, he sent a memo to senior officials asking them to find
reserve
units that should be shifted to active duty.
"I would like a list of what those things are, and then an indication
of
what the various services are doing to put those critical skills back
on
active duty, rather than in the Reserves," he wrote then.
But officials say that planning was delayed. Weeks later, the military
began
a methodical buildup of more than 200,000 troops in the Persian Gulf
for
Operation Iraqi Freedom. Now that major combat operations have ended,
Mr.
Rumsfeld is renewing efforts to rebalance the force.
"Rumsfeld's decision to rebalance the forces is prudent," Col. Maginnis
said. "Otherwise, continued reliance on mobilizing reserves will damage
retention and recruitment. Our reserves components are not designed to
be
routinely called on as they have over the past decade for Kosovo,
Afghanistan, Iraq and the war on terror."
 
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macawman    The reason why the same Guard/Reserve units are recalled   12/22/2003 3:58:25 PM
Number One reason: not enough MPs, CA, SF and logistic/CSS types in the regular Army. Number Two: Not enough Guard/Reserve units are up to manpower strength or readiness/skill level. So the Army keeps using the same C-1 & 2 units over and over again. I believe only about 17% of Guard forces have been deemed useful for call up. Reoganization of the Guard to fit current requirements is a must. The Army Reserve made the big changes in structure from a Cold War scenerio in the late 90's. It is just far more difficult to change the Guard because of State & National level politics. This may be changing because of the current situation.
 
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ChdNorm    RE:The reason why the same Guard/Reserve units are recalled   12/23/2003 7:06:06 PM
I've heard that many of the critical skills were placed in the reserves after vietnam by the pentagon, so that there wouldnt be a total force on active duty. Meaning that it would be nessacry to call up reserves to go to war. I belive the reason that I heard was that it was to insure that America could never go to war again like in vietnam, without the public making a commitment. Is there any truth to that? If there is, doesnt that seem to be pretty much totally reversing that way of thinking? It makes me wonder if it increases the likelyhood of making the same mistakes in the future that were made back then. Other than that though, It sounds good to me. I kind of look at the reserves and NG as one of those things you break the glass in the event of war. The way I see it ...They shouldnt be needed to carry out missions that are supposed to be carried out by the active forces, only supplement those active forces where needed.
 
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macawman    RE:The reason why the same Guard/Reserve units are recalled   12/23/2003 9:41:50 PM
ChdNorm: >>>I've heard that many of the critical (support)skills were placed in the reserves after vietnam by the pentagon, so that there wouldnt be a total force on active duty.<<< I think the DRAFT was done away with to avoid public commitment descent in future wars. The NGs and Reservists should have realized that they were in it for the 'long run' and not like it was during the Vietnam War were the NG and Reserve components were for the most part were excluded from call up. I doubt that we will see the same 'college age' civilian vehemence that was present in the 60's & 70's against the Vietnam War for the above reason.
 
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   RE:Guard, Reserves To Be Reorganized   12/29/2003 7:13:31 PM
Hey Folks, I feel that we need a far larger NG force than at present say 200,000+ more troops! Sincerely, Keith
 
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AlbanyRifles    Exactly Right   12/30/2003 7:22:14 AM
The thinking in the military in the early 70s was that by placing missions not needed on immediate active duty (combat support and combat service support) in the USAR & NG, the active could save money AND the populace would have to buy into any future long term military operation. Since there was no longer a draft, everyone did not see the effect of a war on the population. But when a town would see a lot of its people called up and deploy (as we have seen a lot lately) it drives home what your government is doing.
 
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BR1GAND    RE:Exactly Right or bassackward   6/7/2004 12:00:39 PM
Seems bassackwards to me. I would like to see a shift of combat arms forces from the Guard and into the Reserves. The Guard has a peacetime use for the service and support units (MP's, transportation, ect) at the state level during an emergancy. Putting the combat arms units at more of a federal level strengthens the military why would we want to weaken it?
 
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macawman    RE:Exactly Right or bassackward   6/8/2004 2:38:33 AM
Br1grand: You have hit a NG nail on the head. The Army Reserve got out of the combat arms business (except for one brigade in Hawaii) over ten years ago. The NGB opted not to support the AC Army with support troops that were needed, and would better support State emergency requirements like with MPs, Transportation Bns, Engineers, and so forth. The NG Armored/Mech units have a lot more PR pizazz and bigger spending budgets than support units. At the State TAG and NGB level it is all about guardsmen numbers and the resulting Federal dole to the State TAGs. The Army does not need NG nor Reserve armored units. Presently the Army needs light & mech infantry and well as more MP BNs. That is why the 81st NG Armored Bde was converted to mech infantry and a number of NG Arty Bdes to MP Bns.
 
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BR1GAND    Roundout Brigades/Battalions   6/9/2004 10:46:58 AM
On a slightly different note. How are we using the Guard and Reserves to roundout our active divisions. Is it working? Is it the right mix? Should this be primarily a Guard or Reserve mission? I think that Reserves should be used more in this area and mostly in the combat arms areas. While the Guard should be less relied upon in general, and if used should be mostly in the service and support role.
 
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AlbanyRifles    RE:Roundout Brigades/Battalions   6/9/2004 2:21:27 PM
They aren't rounding out divisions. All US Army divisions (except the 10 MD) have 3 brigades. You may have NG/USAR CS or CSS corps units augmenting US divisions, but event the maneuver forces are not designed to be an organic part of the divisions. GW 1 proved that, despite their best efforts, the NG round out brigade maneuver units could not keep their training up to standard. Now having said this, the enhanced separate brigade concept has worked well. These maneuver units are intended to augment a corps and division's maneuver & security capability. But as Macawman said, a lot of the artillery and ADA units are becoming MP & civil affairs units, which we do need. It is going to be interesting to see what happens with the lineage and honors of all those patches from the 26th through 45th divisions, some of which have already gone.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Roundout Brigades/Battalions   6/9/2004 4:37:54 PM
>>On a slightly different note. How are we using the Guard and Reserves to roundout our active divisions. Is it working? Is it the right mix? Should this be primarily a Guard or Reserve mission? << Like Albany Rifles noted, formal round-out relationships went away in the early 1990s. Formerly they were done by National Guard brigades/battalions, primarily, but not exclusively (205th Inf Bde, USAR, if memory serves correctly, was the roundout for 6th Infantry Division). Neither organization managed to consistently field conventional combat arms units that had any business showing up for the party if a high-tempo, Cold War sort of fight was in the offing. Quality control in reserve units has always been a major issue, for both sides of the house. >>I think that Reserves should be used more in this area and mostly in the combat arms areas. While the Guard should be less relied upon in general, and if used should be mostly in the service and support role << I'm guessing you're either a current or former Army Reservist . . . or National Guardsman. The bigger question to me is why we have a split reserve system at all. Insert commentary on states' rights and all that -- but who cares? Is the point of our reserve component to quaintly nod to how we fought wars 150 years ago, or help us win wars in the here and now?
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Roundout Brigades/Battalions   6/9/2004 4:41:09 PM
>>It is going to be interesting to see what happens with the lineage and honors of all those patches from the 26th through 45th divisions, some of which have already gone. << Bunches of them kicked down to brigade size.
 
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BR1GAND    RE:Roundout Brigades/Battalions   6/10/2004 2:42:43 AM
>>I'm guessing you're either a current or former Army Reservist . . . or National Guardsman. Yes and yes. But evidently I havent been paying close enough attention to what happened to the Round Out forces over the past decade.
 
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AlbanyRifles    Lineage and Honors   6/10/2004 10:00:37 AM
I know a lot of those divisions are now brigades (for instance, 3rd brigade, 29 ID is the 26 Bde, formally the 26 INF DIV-Great Irony there....Yankee Division being part of a unit with a LOT of Confederate Heritage!!!) What I was referring too was what happens to the lineage an dhonors of an artillery battalion which converts to MP.....I know this has happened in the past, but I believe we are getting ready to see it on a much larger scale than ever. For instamce, we had an instance where a soldier from Virginia died in Iraq last week. He was a member of 3 Bn, 112 FA NJARNG. But when they deployed to Iraq, they had been retrained as MPs. So they went with FA colors but were MP companies, not batteries. This stuff tends to muddy the waters....the Institute of Heraldry will earn their pay on this stuff!
 
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BR1GAND    RE:Guard, Reserves To Be Reorganized- Ready Reserves?   6/20/2004 12:27:30 PM
I wish there were positions in the Reserves each unit that were semi active. I know that the Guard has AGR positions, but I'd like to see additional funding for high demand jobs where you could work near full time if you were able. In the Guard they have "Guard Bums", guys that would always hang around and try pick up any funding crumbs that alowed them work on active status. Typically these are college students who are looking for part-time work that pays a bit more then your normal drill schedule allows.
 
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doggtag    RE:Guard bums   6/20/2004 1:14:45 PM
I agree with you a good bit, BR1GAND. As I am currently doing work with the PA Army Nat'l Guard, and having seen some "comparable" US Army Reserve components, perhaps the restructuring should actually be more geared to looking for more "Guard Bums": For the most part, the "bums" around Ft Indiantown Gap (PA's primary Guard training site) are decent, hard working types (as far as temp techs go), and a good handful ARE indeed college students who are looking for adequate work between semesters. Almost always, the person applying for an AGR temp slot (or ADSW during critical periods) must have some minimal MOS-related training in the skill position they are applying for (like my electronics MOS gives me preferred access to several other electronics-related positions over someone in supply or admin applying for the position). And even though it is a federal law for employers to "permit" their employees to be Guardians or Reservists, I have personally seen a few of my buddies get screwed over by employers upon returning from Operation Enduring Freedom. Employers can fabricate all manner of excuses to not hire back the returning veterans. Perhaps the solution, in light of the amount of "part timers" who deploy now, would be to assign a major portion of the stateside (CONUS) maintenance roles to Guard and Reserve units, and maintain the federal Army as the deployable units. With the continuing BRAC program seriously disrupting many communities, perhaps the example as here in PA, where several years ago after the federal Army "pulled out", the state "acquired" Ft IG as its primary site, and funds the majority of all operations. We quite frequently have done maintenance on outbound/inbound federal Army equipment, and US Army and USAF pilots routinely visit our gunnery ranges (esp A-10s and F-16s). Perhaps each state could "buy" one or two closed or closing federal installations. In effect, providing a strong stateside maintenance contingent, available quarters for mobilizating/returning troops, a decent training area for military personnel and equipment, and even provide an excellent job market for local civilans and returning veterans who experience difficult civilian employer situations. And again from my personal work alongside college-bound "Guard bums", I would actually rather work with them than the "moochers" who are only out to get their 20 Year Letter or finish their retirement in a state-payrolled non-deployable unit. .
 
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