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Subject: Israel will never overtly attack Iran
Le Zookeeper    8/13/2009 2:35:26 AM
Principaly because Iran can mine the gulf where 40% of the worlds oil passes thru. People would be very upset due to supply disruptions and oil prices. It would be a PR fiasco for Israel.
 
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yeter    Weak one!   8/24/2009 4:46:55 PM

Principaly because Iran can mine the gulf where 40% of the worlds oil passes thru. People would be very upset due to supply disruptions and oil prices. It would be a PR fiasco for Israel.


Israel,could attack overterly!History doesn't change people....Idiots do!
 
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Le Zookeeper    Ariel SHaron may have, a big maybe   8/27/2009 2:10:11 AM
but by and large Israel will expend too much political capital and goodwill by a very chancy raid on Iran's alleged nuclear program. Frankly no chance. It would be counterproductive, Iranian nukes are a political issue not military, and the KGB has its thumbs on Iran.
 
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yeter    HA!   8/30/2009 4:03:23 PM

but by and large Israel will expend too much political capital and goodwill by a very chancy raid on Iran's alleged nuclear program. Frankly no chance. It would be counterproductive, Iranian nukes are a political issue not military, and the KGB has its thumbs on Iran.


The believer of media,never learns history of Israel or her abdiyel!
The world is dead to israel,and Israel to the world! I'm included!
 
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Le Zookeeper    Yeter u must be confused   8/30/2009 9:42:46 PM



but by and large Israel will expend too much political capital and goodwill by a very chancy raid on Iran's alleged nuclear program. Frankly no chance. It would be counterproductive, Iranian nukes are a political issue not military, and the KGB has its thumbs on Iran.






The believer of media,never learns history of Israel or her abdiyel!

The world is dead to israel,and Israel to the world! I'm included!


I really do not follow the media much as you can read my other post, neither do I believe in Islam or any Judeo Christian religions. In fact the media is a lot more meaningful. I respect ur right to ur beliefs, but if there were God, fate, fortune etc etc etc I would urge you to read the early texts of hinduism something called Santam Dharma or similar phrase. These texts not only give a more accurate possibility of our existence. Carl Sagan was one fan, see it on youtube. It was Hinduism alone that predicted the age of the universe and whatever ur Israel, Vatican or Mecca is utterly false. You are in the age of Kaliyug. Google it. And the analysis of Israels likelihood to attack Iran overtly was negated by the folks at Stratfor (I think).
 
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Le Zookeeper    By September or so we will know   8/30/2009 9:57:18 PM
I think thats some deadline for Iran to stop some enrichment. You will hear the usual bluster from both sides, but another factor to consider is Hizbullah and Hamas capabilities to retaliate? Maybe Yeter you can share what Hizbullah could do. Last time I was getting resumes from engineers wanting to leave Haifa(I run a side business in engineering staffing in San Ftancisco).
 
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LB    Iranian Nukes No Real Threat   8/31/2009 12:35:27 AM
It certainly sounds reasonable to state that Iranian nukes would never be used and thus are no military threat to Israel.
 
Prove it.
 
Moreover, prove it within the following context:  Both sides use of WMD in WWI; US use of atomic weapons twice in WWII; attempted genocide of Jewish people in WWII, nothing significant done to interfere with the Holocaust by the allies; world seemingly acceptable to notion of entire Arab world destroying Israel at it's creation; Arab world leaders sided with Nazi Germany during WWII;  stability of current Iranian regime; notion that Iran would never pass on nuclear knowledge, material, or weapons to any nation or non state actor that would use them against Israel.
 
It's really not difficult to make a case that most of the world does not care about Jews or who kills them.  Thus it's not unreasonable, given history, for Israel to only trust itself for it's own security.  Asking Israel to trust Iran's intentions is ridiculous given Iran's stated policy is the destruction of the state of Israel and that they support this policy through the direct support of Hamas and Hezzbolah and other actors.
 
Israel has been saying since 2003 that if the West does not prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons that they will act.  Nobody believed China clearly laying out what would trigger their intervention in Korea either.  Sometimes nations that clearly spell out their policies need to be believed as they are in fact deadly serious.
 
It doesn't matter what Israel's position appears to be to an outsider.  It doesn't matter if the average non Israeli thinks Iran would never really use nukes against Israel.  It only matters what they think.  Israel has attacked first in 1956 with France and the UK, Israel struck first in 1967, attacked Iraq in 1981, invaded Lebanon in 1982, and conducted numerous other strikes including the PLO in Tunisia in 1985 and a Syrian nuclear facility in 2007.  Exactly why do so many constantly question the resolve of a nation that has some reason to believe it's survival is at stake and who clearly demonstrate the will to strike?  
 
As for Iran mining the Gulf I'm sure they will do a lot more than that in response.  However, the last time they did that the US destroyed the Iranian navy in one day with Operation Praying Mantis.   Moreover, this Iranian action was within the context of it's ongoing war with Iraq and it's certainly perfectly acceptable to fight a nation that invades you.  It's less than acceptable to mine international waters and even less acceptable when the western world can not afford those waters mined.
 
Finally one trusts a theocratic police state at one's peril.  Islamic fundamentalism is not a force for good in the world that is deserving of trust.  Trusting the current Iranian regime is simply idiotic and at the very least expecting Israel to do so is not rational.  
 

 
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Le Zookeeper    LBCurrently the Iranian regime is under the thumb of the Russians.   8/31/2009 1:24:21 AM
There is no need to trust or mistrust Iran. All negotiations are with Russia, remeber those Olmert trips to Russia, Ahmednijnabad also is a routine visitor there. I simply would ignore Iran as a major or minor nuclearthreat. Not possible. North Korea gives me the creeps, they have no desire o work with the rest of the world, Iranians depend on foreign interaction.
 
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yeter       9/1/2009 3:32:33 PM







but by and large Israel will expend too much political capital and goodwill by a very chancy raid on Iran's alleged nuclear program. Frankly no chance. It would be counterproductive, Iranian nukes are a political issue not military, and the KGB has its thumbs on Iran.





Therefore,you are encroaching upon Israel/church doctrine=life! I label you satanik....You have no right to bash us....








The believer of media,never learns history of Israel or her abdiyel!



The world is dead to israel,and Israel to the world! I'm included!






I really do not follow the media much as you can read my other post, neither do I believe in Islam or any Judeo Christian religions. In fact the media is a lot more meaningful. I respect ur right to ur beliefs, but if there were God, fate, fortune etc etc etc I would urge you to read the early texts of hinduism something called Santam Dharma or similar phrase. These texts not only give a more accurate possibility of our existence. Carl Sagan was one fan, see it on youtube. It was Hinduism alone that predicted the age of the universe and whatever ur Israel, Vatican or Mecca is utterly false. You are in the age of Kaliyug. Google it. And the analysis of Israels likelihood to attack Iran overtly was negated by the folks at Stratfor (I think).



 
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yeter    israel   9/1/2009 3:33:54 PM

I think thats some deadline for Iran to stop some enrichment. You will hear the usual bluster from both sides, but another factor to consider is Hizbullah and Hamas capabilities to retaliate? Maybe Yeter you can share what Hizbullah could do. Last time I was getting resumes from engineers wanting to leave Haifa(I run a side business in engineering staffing in San Ftancisco).


Israel,just said America is hiding enrichment sources from them.....I read it,this morning!
 
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yeter    israel   9/1/2009 3:37:09 PM

There is no need to trust or mistrust Iran. All negotiations are with Russia, remeber those Olmert trips to Russia, Ahmednijnabad also is a routine visitor there. I simply would ignore Iran as a major or minor nuclearthreat. Not possible. North Korea gives me the creeps, they have no desire o work with the rest of the world, Iranians depend on foreign interaction.


That is not,an, logical inclusion or step man. You either trust or not....Russia does things because of others,which fuels the
others who started it.....Origins of go! Raiders,Pirates.....kidnappers....Witches,who drain mens souls....
 
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yeter    What?   9/8/2009 4:31:56 PM

It certainly sounds reasonable to state that Iranian nukes would never be used and thus are no military threat to Israel.

 

Prove it.

 

Moreover, prove it within the following context:  Both sides use of WMD in WWI; US use of atomic weapons twice in WWII; attempted genocide of Jewish people in WWII, nothing significant done to interfere with the Holocaust by the allies; world seemingly acceptable to notion of entire Arab world destroying Israel at it's creation; Arab world leaders sided with Nazi Germany during WWII;  stability of current Iranian regime; notion that Iran would never pass on nuclear knowledge, material, or weapons to any nation or non state actor that would use them against Israel.


 

It's really not difficult to make a case that most of the world does not care about Jews or who kills them.  Thus it's not unreasonable, given history, for Israel to only trust itself for it's own security.  Asking Israel to trust Iran's intentions is ridiculous given Iran's stated policy is the destruction of the state of Israel and that they support this policy through the direct support of Hamas and Hezzbolah and other actors.

 

Israel has been saying since 2003 that if the West does not prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons that they will act.  Nobody believed China clearly laying out what would trigger their intervention in Korea either.  Sometimes nations that clearly spell out their policies need to be believed as they are in fact deadly serious.


 

It doesn't matter what Israel's position appears to be to an outsider.  It doesn't matter if the average non Israeli thinks Iran would never really use nukes against Israel.  It only matters what they think.  Israel has attacked first in 1956 with France and the UK, Israel struck first in 1967, attacked Iraq in 1981, invaded Lebanon in 1982, and conducted numerous other strikes including the PLO in Tunisia in 1985 and a Syrian nuclear facility in 2007.  Exactly why do so many constantly question the resolve of a nation that has some reason to believe it's survival is at stake and who clearly demonstrate the will to strike?  

 

As for Iran mining the Gulf I'm sure they will do a lot more than that in response.  However, the last time they did that the US destroyed the Iranian navy in one day with Operation Praying Mantis.   Moreover, this Iranian action was within the context of it's ongoing war with Iraq and it's certainly perfectly acceptable to fight a nation that invades you.  It's less than acceptable to mine international waters and even less acceptable when the western world can not afford those waters mined.

 

Finally one trusts a theocratic police state at one's peril.  Islamic fundamentalism is not a force for good in the world that is deserving of trust.  Trusting the current Iranian regime is simply idiotic and at the very least expecting Israel to do so is not rational.  


 How is it reasonable? I know the answer,but I know you don't!How did it,come out of your mouth?






 
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jrjohnryanjr    The Iranian Navy    9/17/2009 12:57:40 PM
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 12:28:10 AM



Principaly because Iran can mine the gulf where 40% of the worlds oil passes thru. People would be very upset due to supply disruptions and oil prices. It would be a PR fiasco for Israel.





Israel,could attack overterly!History doesn't change people....Idiots do!


Anyone Israel does will always be judged to be a PR disaster.
As for the Iranian navy, just sink it.
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 12:28:28 AM
OK, I've sent in a petition to have Bluewings removed from the forum for aggravated trolling (flames, unsubstantiated statements and outright falsities reducing the quality of the board for subsequent years). Regardless of whether you find him entertaining or not I encourage you to a great degree to join this measure.
 
I was actually starting to see reasonable conversations about the Rafale and other topics on French matters until he reappeared.
 
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