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Subject: Obama will be a one term president.
SYSOP    11/11/2008 7:39:57 PM
Obama will be a one term president.
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ker    The Fry   8/27/2009 1:46:40 AM
Step one you say we need to talk                                          link /> He walks you say sit down it's just a talk
He smiles politely back at you
You stare politely right on through                                          The Fray             How to Save a Life
Some sort of window to your right
As he goes left and you stay right
Between the lines of fear and blame
You begin to wonder why you came

Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend
Somewhere along in the bitterness
And would I've stayed up with you all night
Had I known how to save a life

Let him know that you know best
Cause after all you do know best
Try to slip past his defense
Without granting innocence
Lay down a list of what is wrong
The things you've told him all along
Pray to God he hears you
And pray to God he hears you

Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend
Somewhere along in the bitterness
And would I've stayed up with you all night
Had I known how to save a life

As he begins to raise his voice
You lower yours and grant him one last choice
Drive until you lose the road
Or break with the ones you've followed
He will do one of two things
He will admit to everything
Or he'll say he's just not the same
And you'll begin to wonder why you came

Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend
Somewhere along in the bitterness
And would I've stayed up with you all night
Had I known how to save a life

Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend,
Somewhere along in the bitterness
And would I've stayed up with you all night
Had I known how to save a life

How to save a life
How to save a life
How to save a life

Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend,
Somewhere along in the bitterness
And would I've stayed up with you all night
Had I known how to save a life

Where did I go wrong, I lost a friend,
Somewhere along in the bitterness
And would I've stayed up with you all night
Had I known how to save a life

How to save a life
How to save a life
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In a town that turns out self serving moral outrage the way the Hover Dam turns out eletricity, it is a wise may who takes his colleagues more siriously than he takes his own theatrics... or their direct mail. 
 
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ker       9/2/2009 1:00:41 PM
 
How many rent controled apartments dose it take to hold a milainaires ego?  Four.
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What did Rangel think the poor people who needed those apartments were going to do?  Has he ever made statments calling for more suport for homeless people?  Has he ever suported rent control because he cared so much for the homeless?  Blassed Republicans for not caring about the homless? 
 
Rent control is an attempt by libs to give away other peoples stuff.  Look at me mommy, I made apartments for people! 
 
Arguments can be made that rent control makes people stop building or maintaining housing because of the political risk of this slighly wattered down emenet domain taking of property.  Land lords who stay in busness focuse much more time and moeny on propertys that are to lugurious to be consitered for rent control and that drives up average rents.  Which intern generates more rent protests and more votes for the city leaders who want to do something for the people being squeased by greeedy land lords.
 
The important point here is that rent control was putting resources into the hands of the congrassmen.  He had to live in his own district.  So some friends in city goverment helped him get a block of four rent controled apartments and build a stealth McMansion.  What favors they had to do for the landlord to keep this out of the New York press is a good question.  Treating this manipulation of the system as a reporting eror is ..... yet another manipulation of the system. 
 
But like any good dictator Rangel has bobytraped his kingdom so that disator will result if he is removed.  Look at the number two Dem. on way and means.
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Blue dogs gona be the first to die for O's sins.  53% is what O got at the polls and it is the inflection point for just how baddly the congessmembers get thrashed for having a presedent from their party learning the ropes.  If the aproval number is below 53 the turnover in congress is greater.  The throw the bumbs out voters who gave O the oval and Pelosi her big magority are not being converted into movement librals.  Quite to the contrarian. 
 
Hot off his North Korean mystry tour Bill Clinton is doing photo ops with Gore again and giving unity advice to the party.  Those Republlicans don't want you to serve your leader bill says to the bluedogs.  Like they didn't know.  If they can't keep O well above 53 and they can't run against their own party then they start looking for the next line on their resumays.  K street is always hiring. 
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Some day O is going to need something from the CIA.  His friends in Honduras may need help. (Or Rangels is Porto Rico.)
No if Penata and Justice can sussefuly mut and Jeff the agency Penata will be the one to make the request.  If not it will be Biden.  Biden really wants Penata to succeed.  I would feel more comfortable if I could have my lawyers present during these meetings.
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I love this talk about a "third catigory of prisoners."   People who wave the Geneva Conventions like a bloody shirt but never seam to read it.  What are the careteristics of a "lawfull combatant?"  If they can answer that question walk away because their talking point to intelegence ration is in the useless range.
 
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ker    Obama Youth Gone Wiled   9/8/2009 5:34:44 PM
All I need to know about the Como Czars I learned in kindergarden.
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National Health has become the "SAVE THE DONKEYS ASS BILL OF 2009." Come hell or high school O is going to get a bill. Old conventional wisdom: GOP wants to obstruct to win seats.  New conventional wisdom: Dems want illusion of success to avoid colapse.  Problem for them is that they still need to chose an illusion.
 
If the coverment is going to jail or fine people for not buying health insurance (which is the only way to get past the pre-existing condition loophole) then your preamioms become a tax.  Tax bills must origenate in the House.  The fig leaf O is praying for from the Senot is unconstitutional.  Never stoped anyone before.
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Hot education trend of the future.  Tell state you are home schooling and use voice over internet proticals to conect your kids with a private school in India.  Other parents will keep kids in publics for daycare and sports wile hiring telacomuting tutors for math, english and American history.  The stuff we don't do well in America.  Were still working on hand washing and self esteam.  Also, texted books are so last centuary. 
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Horowitz
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Wow, dose that O have a tin ear or what?  He haddn't noticed that public schools were a culture war tinder box.  Funny how this nation continues to surprise him.  Reed says it just the "evil" people at town halls.  Now the school boards are getting tacky.  I sure am glade that O is such a good communicator so he can smoth all this out for us.  His domestic deplomacy skilz prove so helpfull in putting out these fire that his own communication stratigy start.  He wasn't ever really going to tell kids that they had a patriotic duty to suport his party.  That's what teachers unions are for.
 
O should have done a joint presentation w/ a Republican and kept all the surounding lesson plans to a transparent minumum.  That would have been more bi-partison than any other president.  It also would have been exactly what o promised to do in the campain.  Maybe he should have sent his campain promises of in a letter to himself so he wouldn't forget.  How is he doing at nitting the red and blue states back together?
 
W had the sence to stop doing this or I should say to continue the Clinton patern of not doing this.  Clinton who argued for school uniforms in public schools to look like he was doing something didn't do this.  Didn't anyone in team O ask why? 
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Standered line in TV faimly comides is the kids calling dad stupid.  Then the laugh track.  Maybe O should have out sourced this little talk to Bill Cosby.  O says hellow and then introduces Bill who gives his own speach.  That would have had a much more powerfull postive effect. 
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When you attempt to change the communications envirment one presentation of a message is never enough.  You need many presentations of corwodenated messages.  The pre-protest version of the back to school speach was a cowardenated part of the O communication strategy.  He was flighting, that is putting a lot of messages together so they don't get lost in the clutter. 
 
Kissing Babbys.   Other things wre going on.  O wanted to set up some warm mood lighting for his address to congress.  We will run your doctor as well as we run your schools wasn't quite the intended point.  By taking it to the schools he could get another bio-pic angle on the coverage of him self, i.e. O's a better father than he had himself, he studdyed real hard and educated others,  he loves puppys and children and they are over awded by him.  Space in the media wall gets taken up with something other than a tick tock of his campain for national health.  He wants to put the past behind and begin again with out the burden of history.  At least he wants a system interupt that will allow a new message in w/o lableing it.  Flip flop, cave in, back peddle, a suprising discovery of what he REALLY belives several mounths after he though the discusion should have been over...all that stuff needed to be minimized and kids make great props.  ---Bill Cosby comes to mind again-----   I'm not saying O was using school children as retorical human sheilds.  He was using them as retorical smoke granades.  He wanted a little time out in the political fight so he could move to a better fighting position w/o us observing the movement.  Then he forced himself to move again by wattering down the lesson plans.  Maybe O isn't hiring the right people?
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If your attempting to fack it and look moderate you have got to through the lefty under the bus before GOP forces you to.
If you do it after they demand it you look weak and lefty.  Neather is helpfull. You also invite more demands from the right.
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Blagojevich book drops today!
"When your an honest person and belive that you want to tell the people who hired you and trusted you that you didn't let them down you look for the highest mounton top that you can find and you want to shout out and say it just ain't so.  No one hears you if your on top of a mountain so next best thing is to write a book."
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With humans like this who needs zombies?  Colony
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If I call O a crack head (in refrence to oil dependency) will he give me a 172K job and promote my book? 
 
Politics is hollywood for ugly people! And this ugly the sugen can't fix.
 
Van Jones, Green Jobs Como Czar, said, "some of us who are not Barke Obama are going to half to start getting a little bit ugly" talking about why Dems can't pass bills w/ all their majoritys. 
 
The statment he released anouncing his departure was in deed ugly.
 "vicious smear campaign"..."They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide," Jones said.  That is truely rich from a man who sighned a statment suporting the idea that 9/11 was an inside job.  Respect for the office of the presedency?  I keep tring to have less respect for the office than O's own people but I can get ahead of them.
 
As for a Gang Green Collor Ecconomy being Red on the inside O has a lot bad message to overcome after apointed and then removed a marxist from the program.  How do you unring that bill?  Jones talent for turning a frase has disgruntaled former employee all over it so expect him to become a standard on satilight TV stations that people don't know they have.  If he turns against O is that trotskyism  link Will the divisity Como Czar force radio stations to give Jones air time so he can dump on O?
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Mean wile we were so busy being distracted that we forgot to get distracted.
 
If O really bellives we have a health care problem he needs to tighten up his focuse.
 
We do not have anything like a healthcare crises.  A crises by definition is short term.  None of our health care chalenges are in any way short term.  Crises langauge is total diversion.  Problems.  We got 99 problems but a crises ain't one.  It is not crunch time.  Crunch time is total fiction.  Solutions now or in six mounths make little difference.  Saying we must act now because of the nature of our political cycals is bunk.  We must sacrifice everything to solve this "crises" but we can't posibly change our political cycals.  Political cycals are only going to get in the way if the polls value the political cycals more than they value their duty.  We can and maybe should write this bill (bills would be better) in an election year. 
 
We have long term problems that require every thing but haste.
 
Trade political theater for policy dicipline.
 
Trade urgancy for prudence.
 
Fight "distortion" w/ concreat proposels not whining.
 
Make Pelosi the last person adding language not the first.  Work from middle like the O campain said it would.
 
Trade grand historic sweeping "reform" for practical incremental focuse.
 
Drop the bundling.  We need a list of changes to pick and chose from not one take it or leave it mess. 
 
Admit that the oposition dose have ideas and adress them in detail.  Shouting them down is self sabotage.
 
Trade semantics and bumperstickers for oporational language.  Don't use poetic language like "fair" but tell what specificly will happen.  Then people will naturly respond in more mesured tones.  Team O is no stranger to the hyperbolic language they hate from other people.
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Boogy men are comming out in droves.  When people don't like the facts or the law they talk about the boogy man.
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The underlining realitys remain.  Insurance works when a small noumber of people will have a problem and that problem is hugly disruptive to life.  No one knows who will have the problem so they all buy protection.  Every one gets sick and if they don't get sick we keep them alive untill they do.  Health insurance is no longer insurance it is subsidy. 
 
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ker       9/9/2009 3:57:55 PM
Other than that how was the play misses Lincon?
 
Obama has driven a wedge down the middle of his own party because he wanted to grade the healthcare issue from Hill and then just kept yacking faster than anyone was planning for him.  So now he cuts the bottom out of his own ship to motivate his crew to attack the ship he wants them to board more agressivly.  The inside message to Dems is that they will get butured more if O fails.  The out side message is that O is tan rested and readdy.  Yes and he is also quite proud of his healthcare bill.
 
Expect O to steal some GOP ideas so he can say somthing we haven't heard before. 
 
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ker    No more mister nice guy.    9/14/2009 5:38:15 PM
Couldn't post after speach.  Was rolling on floor laughing.  That my friends is what you call real contempt.  And I'm refering to O's remarks.
 
No more mister nice guy.    link
 
The day of Tip Oneal and Ronald Regan when they could turn it off and socilize is over.  They falling all over each other to blaim the other guy for the blaim game louder and faster than he blaims them.  O attempts to be by-partison-curious have amounted to little more than blaiming the GOP for not calling him by-partison. Come to the Whitehouse and have a beer before I [    ] you.  Call it a date. Their failure to be politicly distroyed by him shows him great disrespect.
 
W's tried to reform social security.  How did the dems respound?  Did they say, "lets give people choice but limet it to American state and municapal bonds?"  No.
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Member of Congress "What good is reading the bill when it's a thousand pages and you don't have two days and two laywers?"  With the Patriot did it again.  Then with the stimulaus act they did it again.  Then with Obamacare they are not even pretending to mind much.  In one example a 16 Billion dollor bill would have required reading 208 pages an hour for 16 hours over night between the final committee products release and the floor vote.  Only staffers read bills and they team read them looking for gatcha lines they can hand their boss.  The people who write the bills know how to make the bill as intelegable as compialed computer code so that they only allow the gacha llines they serve their purpuse.  Policy is formed at the apelit court level!  Executive branch funtionairys who write adminisstrative rules for the implementation of the bill have more policy impact than members do in mark up/committee work.  Members real power is the ability to look over the sholders of executive funtionairys and tell them what the bills ment ... in a room alone, off the record and long after the final passage.  The power to harase executive branch fununaires under the guise of consticuancy service or the investegation of misconduct or just oversite is much more important to members than the mondain and suprisingly irelevant work of crafting law.  Policy is formed at the apelit court level! I know Soto was born in an eco femininist colective log cabin that she built with her own wise hands. 
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O sandwhiched the aniversairy of Sept. 11 between an adress to congress on national health and a speach on banking regs.  He named it a day of service and rememberance but the service to remeberance ratio wasn't something he wanted to balance.  Service didn't apear to conected much to militairy service.  Dose he mean law enforcement, fire fighters and EMT's?  He calls for a domestic service that is as well funded and respected as the DoD.  What type of service dose he have in mind?
 
The war formaly know as the GWOT continues but O apears dedicated to keeping it on the second or third page.  He can get away with fighting just as long as he apears a little bit ashamed of it.  W's crime may not have been killing but expressing pride in the sevise personel who carried out the orders.  Allowing American's pride in the members of the armed servises constitues unilateral disarmerment on the part of the Dems.  Marginalizing W as a war crimes freak was no suficent to defeat him but it was very nessary to disrupting his domestic agenda.  Allowing Americans to feel fermilar w/ the practical realitys of the world out side their domestic peace buble undercuts Dem comunication stratigy.  People out there suffer greatly and American must be compelled to belive that suffering is caused by their goverments Republican habits.  American do want to save the world.  Alowing Republicans any success distroys Dems political prospects.  O can't abandon AG because he must be stong like the republicans but ashamed of that strenght.  Expect more confusion.
 
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ker    God Bless Our Troops Especially the Snipers.   9/14/2009 6:44:18 PM
We know that law making really dosn't work the way the law givers pretend it dose.  So we are quickly back to depending on the what the meanning of is is when we ask if O lies.  Well he lies but dose he lie more than we give him licence to.  Troop ship lies are OK but rigging election lies are not.  The middle ground is argued about. 
 
O could do two things that would win him instant credibility. 
 
When we want to stop sexual herassment or envirmental crimes or some kinds of false statments to the goverment we let private citezens sue the violator and then keep the punitive damages.  If O wrote a one page law that gave Americans the power to sue the employers of "informal labor" illigals he could then say with a stait face that he really wasn't playing a two faced game with imagration.  We would belive that he really wasn't lieing.
 
Abortion is subject to word games.  Rather than saying that no tax dollors will fund abortion services wile creating lots of new fee, preamioms and fines that are enforced with the power of tax lilke law but not called taxes  O needs to say that insurance companys that take goverment forced premeams will not buy abortions or at least will disclose that they do so people can take their preamions else where.  Then he would be more belivable.
 
But in the end it's all about the smile.
 
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ker    Tort to Reform Ratio   9/15/2009 10:55:19 AM
The tort to reform ratio is all tort and just enough reform to inculate the system from reform.  Revenue strems can be identified w/ political activety and trial lawyers do much labor for the dems.  They deserve the moeny.  Doctor, not so much. 
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The O bully to pulpit ratio is just wonderfull.  The truth to power ratio is getting stronger all the time. Is the president funtioning as the educator in cheif and improving the national understanding of problems or is he letting the behavioral ecconomists do our thinking for us.  Well the GOP were all marketing and no market of ideas themselves so it's a by-partison problem. 
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Bidens Babylon -  keeping the balance between avoiding tragety and avoiding triomp.
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Paul Volcker  
 
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ker    Wii Wii back down everybody.   9/16/2009 3:16:46 PM
Bickering and games are over and past.  Action!Action!Action!
 
But let me get the last dig in before you start playing nice.
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The bill will be payed for and not add to deficet.  If the bill can cut the deficet is a large way it is a failure but I'm just a green eye shade bean counter.  I waiting for the CBO to sighn off on O cost promises.  All he has gotten out of them is that his savings ideas are had to score.  His savings ideas are the good old "magic asterisk" of waiste fraud and abuse.  Reagon leaned hard on that one and we know what he did to the debt.  We know half our health care spending is waist but we can't decide which half. 
 
Also O has talked about pannels of experts who would compair health out comes of treatment and determine the cost benifit ratio of care options.  This postponed the decision making until after the sighning party for the bill.  How many dollors are the last six mounths of life worth?  When your told that the difference between treatment one, treatment two or no treatment are indistingishable you want to know whos agenda the evaluation is serving.  Some on said, "death pannels" and O censored any refrence to experts from his none-plan. 
 
Also some discritions of the none-plane involved an 8% fine (note it's not a tax increase) on the payrolls of all those many many companies who don't provide insurance.  An 8% payroll tax increase will change the behavior of the rest of the ecconomie.  It will make it harder to hire new workers to name one concequence.  Think of taxsation as drilling for watter in a finite aquifer.  If I sink a well and pump out eight or nine hundred billion dollors that going to change the aquifer.  Other wells will produce less and shallower well will go dry.  Putting another tax on payroll will decrease the capture on the social securety payroll tax.  If you move the none-tax fines or preamieams onto a different point in the ecconomie like the individual you get simmiler effects.  Amitures think about tax rates and professionals think aobut the tax base.  Growing the tax base increases revenue. 
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Hill the Movie on vidoe demand.
 
Soto and her new friends are deciding how far into a corporations oporations the goverment can cut in order to protect polls from the moeny they spend most of their time chasing.  Writing checks to canidates is stopable but hardly the most influenchal thaing a corporation can do.  Telling them they can't sell a movie with political speach implications in election seasons is a reach.  But if they can't do that and every company has it's own internet TV channle the law is a hash.  Well the law always wass a hash.  Better to be a meadia company that sells tosters than a toster company who has something to say.
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-Getmo gone to Michigan-no.  Would have been nice to plant the place with in a easy drive of the largest muslim population center out side the muslim world.  Recruiting gards would have been a snap.
 
-Truth is getless keeps getting on.
-Suspention of militairy tribunals lasted five seconds.
-Detention w/o trial was continued but w/ resevation.  (it gets better press treatment now for some strange reason.)
-Rendition continues but w/ Extraordinary State Department supervision.  (I guess State did want a pick at CIAs bones.)
-War in AG continues to be the good war that O belives in.  Were still not doing anything in Iraq W would fundimentaly oppose like pull out the way O demanded when he was out side the oval throwing [    ].  Code pink has gone dark. Mc wants Generals back in hearing rooms again.  O really dosn't want that.
 
Will the new new troops beat the snow?
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Getting Dems to scape goat ACCORN is like getting a smoker to toss one mostly empty pack of stale smokes.  Getting the Dems to stop building ACCORN like fronts is like getting a smoker to quite smoking.  Don't hold your breath.
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Medical resurch companys don't develop drugs for people w/o moeny to pay for them.  They don't desighn systems for markets that don't exist.  A cost sencitive market for health services dose not exist because goverment has made it very dangerious to your moeny and fredom to sell health care services on cost.  If you promise 80% of the benifit for 20% the price that malpractice.  Lots of people could be producing the cost effective options if the regulators would let them conect with the costomers.  Don't hold your breath.  Practicing medicine with out your club membership is DOA.
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Big resentment.  Publicly traded firms invest tons of dollors they didn't really have to drive out mom and pop shops.  Then when the publicly traded firms were up against it about their funny money the goverment springs to cover them with tax moeny from the mom and pop ecconemy.  Mom and pop don't through partys where members of goverment enjoy them selves. 
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Too top heavy to fail.  O has big complex plan for regulating companys who increase systemic risk.  It is full of people and commisins that will make one off decisions latter.  It ain't got much in way of firm decisions O has made now.  Deal over Law.  Or to be exact a law that promises that a deal will be made latter after something happens and we know whos ox we gona gore or put on life suport depending on which party they give moeny to.
 
I got an idea.  Progresive taxsation of corprote banks.  The level of corprote tax on a bank increases in propotion to it's gross income.  Sovles the problem fast.  Movement types like big banks because you can make deals with them.  Don't fund loging projects and I'll get you a date with my sister.  Fund that damb and I'll egg your house.  This is so much easyer than oing to the legeslature. Donate to my cause and I wouldn't complain about your bill payday. They want big banks but they want them vulnerable to "public" presure. 
 
Big finacual institutions have a big problem.  The ways to make moeny in stocks are to courner the market, get special information before other players and to get goverment favors (information, the sugestion that tax or regulator law might go your way).  Big firms look like they are better at all those things.  And if they blow up the goverment has a chance of steping in and bailing out.  Small firms can stop the goverment from eatting their prfit with a stoke of a pen.  Eating the profit of your small competition with the stroke of a pen is another one of the favors that big firms can buy from goverment.  All of this causes investors to feel that bigger is saffer wile prompting the bigger to take more risk than the small.  Then every thing explodes.
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Jimmy knows that O hates todays comments.  Jimmy thinks he deserves some of that North Korean love that bill got.  Jimmy wants a public roll in the Middle east peace talks.  Jimmy dosn't like O people saying off record that if Dems don't do what it takes to make O FDR then they will get stuck with O as Jimmy Carter.  I predict O as Doc Jonson but I'm mean.  Carter always was the lost child of the peoples party.  Carter knows that Carter was kicked around just like O but dosn't care.
 
Jimmy is punishing O and raising his own profile.  Jimmy belives that O interists and the interist of America are no longer identical.  Jimmy knows that getting back the 20% of aproval rattings will be much harder if Jimmy is out their calling those people bigots. 
 
For every American who hates having a black in the oval their are ten who wanted to have a black president.  It's just that some of them are wishing we could have found a different black man now that they see O's preformance.
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"Mr. Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining."  Town haller.
 
"Thank you but I wouldn't dignify you with my pee on your leg.  It wouldn't be worth waisting the urion."  Rep. Peter Starks.
 
And you wonder why Pelosie wouldn't remove the Rangle as Chairman of Ways and Means.  If she dose Peter gets the job.
 
 
 
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ker    Nuts   9/17/2009 12:19:19 PM
insert your ACCORN joke here.
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"And they are not shy about exercising their power. They exercise a vast array of semi-regulatory, quasi-legislative functions. which deliver social services, act as ?human rights? organizations, or promote the arts. They are so powerful they actually forget themselves. The Times Online, for example, devoted an article to their efforts to cleanse the English language of racist, sexist, ageist and theist phrases. In an effort that recalls Orwell?s description of Newspeak, the QUANGOS are determined to leave no phrase unturned left."     This about British QUANGOs (quasi-autonomous non-governmental organizations)
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People say that ACCORN get some moeny from the goverment grants but most from unions.  As if the unions are goverment funded.  The goverment dose not write many checks directly to the unions but it gives the unions the power to tax.  Tax with out oversite they do.  Unions are early examples of QUANGOS.
 
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ker    Promises Promises   9/17/2009 4:56:05 PM

I'm their leader which strategy s do they have?  O had to call Iraq a dumb war.  To get away with that he had to call AG a smart war.  Now he gets to eat his own.

I bet it's nice to be in AG drinking tea with some one wondering if they are going to fight you or join with you and they ask you why O your leader dosn't understand his own strategy yet.  Wasn't he willing to talk resurces during the campain?
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Cap and Tax.
2nd Stim.
Returning to the Draft.
Three DOA ideas used like wapor ware to scair the marginaly informed.
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Remember O's flag pin.  He said desent was best form of patritism.  He dosn't remember that now.
 
O wants race tobe the suttle seasioning in every dish on the table he is reseting.  Carter wants it to be the main course to punish O for being cold sholder and hot tounge to Carter.  Carter wants O to sell the damb rug once and move on dot org.  Carter get peace prise and Bill got impeached and bill gets better treatment from O.  Bill dosn't feel the love but this is Carters prespective were walking back.  Carter happens to OBL's faviorite book auther.  Maybe that triped a warning flare even in O's vetting screen.
 
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cwDeici       9/18/2009 12:26:13 AM
OK, I've sent in a petition to have Bluewings removed from the forum for aggravated trolling (flames, unsubstantiated statements and outright falsities reducing the quality of the board for subsequent years). Regardless of whether you find him entertaining or not I encourage you to a great degree to join this measure.
 
I was actually starting to see reasonable conversations about the Rafale and other topics on French matters until he reappeared.
 
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ker       9/18/2009 3:31:19 PM

OK, I've sent in a petition to have Bluewings removed from the forum for aggravated trolling (flames, unsubstantiated statements and outright falsities reducing the quality of the board for subsequent years). Regardless of whether you find him entertaining or not I encourage you to a great degree to join this measure.

 

I was actually starting to see reasonable conversations about the Rafale and other topics on French matters until he reappeared.

 
cwDeici would you be satified if I took this act to the Jokes section?  What are you looking for here?  I'd hate to make work for the forum staff. 
 
I would ask that persons with complaints about this thread start by posting them to this thread. We can avoid the need for petitions.
 
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ker       9/21/2009 5:12:05 PM
It dosn't feel like Team O is minding the details in Eastern Europe.  Did they rember the secret pact to carve Poland between Russa and Germany.  The Ukraine dose.  Russa has sent threatoning messages telling Ukraine to stop teaching such confrontational history in their schools.  Some how the Russians got O to dump missle defence plans on the 70th aniversary of the carving and then go O to say he didn't talk to Russa about it.  Just the kind of atmospheric former KGB types need to help them work into Ukraine.  "You think the American will protect you.  We already bought you from the Americans." 
 
I know O is into Curbing Enthusiasm but some enthusiasm for the liberty of the formmerly inslaved peoples of Eastern Europe would be helpful.  The sheep and the wolf do disagree weather the sheperd dose serve Liberty.  It was funnier when Lincon said it.
 
I don't forsee T-90 rollilng in but the Russians don't need that. They just skip the invasion and get right down to mobbing the place up.  Conflict is Ukraine could look much more like the cartel war in Mexico that high intensity invation.  O can skip the missle defence but he better send the F.B.I.
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ker       9/22/2009 4:52:07 PM
Brit Hume has sujested that the -personal wonderfullness- of O is a diminishing resource and that team O is over dependent on it.  This would imply that the continuing campain is spending the none  renewable resource of wonderfullness.  There is some truth to this.  Style can cover substance for only so long. 
 
On the other hand Team O is out sweatting.  They are working on a learning curve.  Pilots need to get experience before their luck runs out.  Can O and handlers get experience before the luck runs out?  Their Chicago/blue city skills were not as transferable to national terain as they expected.  Can they learn to get the substance right for the national audence before the style loses it's charm? 
 
More importantly can the Dem party be deconflicted with it's self.  Health care is hard but it beats talking about AG.  Is the Dem party governable? 
 
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ker       9/22/2009 5:28:57 PM
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