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Subject: Obama will be a one term president.
SYSOP    11/11/2008 7:39:57 PM
Obama will be a one term president.
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ker    Play Ball   3/19/2009 5:07:00 PM

"It's like were rewarding incompetence." B Franks

Tell me about it.

Then take a look at the generic ballot. link

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I have an idea. If you don't like the pay that AIG finachel products traders get paid, start your own company. Sell better products for less money. Take all their market share and pay yourself much less. It should be easy. I'm serious. They were price gouging.

It may be that the whole operation was a con game.

Finachel products were understandable for a wile. At first people would find each other in personal ads and then bet on stock prices or interest rates. Then brokers who might have thought they were getting cheated out of commissions set up casinos for betting on such things. They organized the games and took a commission. Brokers liked the money and got more people into the game. Then they crossed an important line. If they couldn't get some one to take one side of a bet they would take it themselves. Extreme conflict of interest like letting the ref's bet on basket ball games. To keep the marks from figuring out very high the commissions were the brokers made the bets more and more complex. At lest they kept changing the names on the same old inverse floaters. link Every thing was very proprietary. Making it harder to understand helped them keep commissions higher. (They also took the show on the road to developing country for the same reason.) Gifts to the agents who bought the products with their companys money helped too. Those gifts ranged from Bulls tickets to sacks of cash. What happens in Vegas happens every where. Lots of companys who should have been tending their knitting (focusing on core competency) just took the share holders money to the derivative casino. There were more people who were willing to buy products than there were good products to buy. This lead to funny things. Much more money could change hands betting on the price of oil than in the selling of real oil. Companys made more money betting on the Yen than they made selling their product. People started w righting mortgages to bundle and sell to hungry buyers that they would never wright if they were going to hold them. People were buying insurance policys on stocks they did not own. Todays toxic or troubled asset was yesterdays big commission.

You can prosecute on laws that existed before the crime. Making actions criminal after the fact destroy process of law. One angle is to challenge the appropriateness of the instrument for the clients they were sold too. This could demonstrate a failure to fulfill fudiary responsibility. Problem is that that would be government protecting rich costumers/buyers from rich sellers. Sorting out the mistreatment of some rich people buy some other rich people doesn't angry up the public blood like cursing some rich people to hell for being rich. It's more fun to just demand ritual suicide and toss the bodys on the bon fires of our vanitys.

Oh the storys these traders will have to tell once they have nothing left to lose. That might be motive for throwing AIG traders one last money party.

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If corporations are so evil, why dose the government own so many?

Beginning with Fanny and Freddy.

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"If we are keeping focused on all the fundamentally sound aspects of our economy, all the out standing companys, workers, all the innovation and dynamism then were going to get through this and I'm very confident about that." so says Obama, now. Who was out of touch? What this really tells us is that Obama knows that he bought the economy and it's his now. You buy it you brake it. So, now he stops mocking McCain for saying the same damb thing. Obama was wrong for not saying this on the campaign trail and now he is wrong for not facing what actions he needs to take to grow that dynamism rather than drain it.

A $552.02 one time gift from the government to each small business is a smoke screen that allows Obama to pretend he had a balanced plan. (While he is pretending that he had a plan he might as well pretend it was balanced.) As after thoughts go it's far more after and far less thought. This isn't robing Petter to pay Paul. It's taxing you to give you back a small cut of your own taxes. If they hide the taxes by embedding them in the cost of products or taking them out of payroll before you touch the money they can pretend that government gives you more than it takes away. (Government can give value for tax money some times. The Center for Disease Control aggregates lots of peoples money and provides a life saving service that no one could buy on their own. Rebate checks are the worst example of government giving back less value than it takes. Creating more than you destroy is harder than concealing how much you destroy and fibbing about how much you create.)

It is a whole lot easier for a bank to distracted people by giving them a toaster than by paying higher interest rates on saving than other banks. You didn't go to the bank because you needed a toaster. You had a toaster that you liked. You went to the bank for interest on your savings.

Obama government is toaster government not high return government.

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I love the phony outrage. "If we had only known!!!" How dare they over pay their long overpaid employees again. I look for them to tie this to Snow the way they tied the Keating four on McCain. (They turned it into the Keating five so their friends in the press could say Republicans were doing it too. Now, Republican do steal but not with Keating. He didn't work their side of K street.) Chris Dodd, don't bother we know who you are.

Isn't it fascinating that people who were on the conference committee and voted the bill out come back after the fact and say they didn't write the part about traders getting the money promised in their contracts. "Sure I voted for it but that doesn't make it my fault." Every one who voted for it is culpable for it. "I didn't read it" or "I didn't understand it" are no excuse. Why have a legislature if the only thing they are going to read is their own earmarks. "Sure, I signed the bad check and cashed it but some one else wrote the number on the check. I don't know who wrote the number but when I find them I'm going to give them a big peace of my self important congressional mind. Why they should even go to jail. The people should be happy they got me to chase bad people who write numbers on checks before I sign them. Those kind of people do a lot of damage to this country."

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This is not Stimgate. This would only have a chance of becoming Stimgate if AIG bonuses hounds were bundling big checks for Franks and company and Sec Treasury tried to help cover it up. Clearly thats not happening yet because the Sec Treasury post is still empty. Obama should get around to appointing some one.

Now that his basket ball picks are done he might get time. Hocuse Pocuse change the focuse. Obama is playing the regular guy because personal charisma is what he's got to work with. Policy woun't float his boat. See him on Jay Leno. He might tell a joke. He should teach not charm.

In his buget, A New Era of Responcibility, he wrights,

"While middle-class families have been playing by the rules, living up to their responsibilities as neighbors and citizens, those at the commanding heights of our economy have not."

"Prudent investments in education, clean energy, health care and infrastructure were sacrificed for huge tax cuts for the wealthy and well-connected."

"There's nothing wrong with making money, but there is something wrong when we allow the playing field to be tilted so far in the favor of so few. . . . It's a legacy of irresponsibility, and it is our duty to change it." All on page 5

(Wall Street Journal Digital Network By Daniel Henninger link )

These statements are true. Obama's mistake is that he feels that the "wealthy and well-connected" and "those at the commanding heights of our economy" are out side the goverment. They are not. The well-connected are the people who talk to him. The commanding heights of the economy are held exclusively by his friends in Congress. He is the very man he condems.

He can not give a convincing story of the problem because he and his friends are the problem but they are to narcisictic to see it. Bring the funny NBC.

 

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This is the kind of situation where Reagan would discover communists in Grenada and invade. Obama setting vets hospitals up to bill private insurance link will not have the same effect. Maybe putting troops on Mexican front will help.

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"Mr. Oversite" is Glen "what do you mean were out of missles" Becks pet name for Franks. Beck is crawling up member Franks lexis nexis with a TV show. Check out 3/17. Old qoutes were paired with new qoutes in unflatering ways. The term moeny laundering was used.

How dose a man like that get his hands on the public airways.

"It's like were rewarding incompetence."

 
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ker    GE TV   3/20/2009 5:53:22 PM
Obama did great with Jay. 
 
He admited that the ressesion will be brought to an end as consumers respond to pent up demand.  I'd like to hear more of that.  He did understate the severety of the early 80's ressesion.
 
I like the informative Obama.
 
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Pelosi won a tactical and retorical victory.  Some Republicans voted for taxes and others voted for AIG. Eather way she wins.
 
But... she is straining a gnat and swallowing a camel.  The moeny taxed back is small beans compaired to the moeny spent.  It's like I eat at an expencive club on your credit card and then say I made you some moeny by leaving a small tip.
 
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ker    Squandering the 6th.   3/23/2009 5:15:27 PM
 
"He could have shoot himself, the sacrifice of the galent solgers of the 6th army is rendered worthless by the cowardes of this spinless general, I will never promote another Field Marshal in this war." Hitler of Paulus
 
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Their are too many things wrong with this statement to list.  If had fofilled Hitlers will by suiside it would not have made the squandering of the powerful 6th army any less of a waste.  Had Paulus killed himself maintaining the lie that Paulus was the incompetant might have been easyer.  In truth each of the major decisions leading to the distrution of the 6th came from the mind of Hitler.  The premature atack on Stalingrad, sending the tanks into the city, repeating no retreat orders when the Russians should have been left alone with their ruble, disregarding photo reconosance of a building counter attack and pretending the 6th could be supplyed by air in winter were forced on Paulus.  In some cases over restrained objections.
Stalingrade was a problem for the Luftwafa and not Paulus.  After the Soviet oil feilds were in German hands, winter had past and Germans were oporating on both sides of the river different plans could be made. link
 
Why do I mention this under the Obama is a One Term Presedent heading?
 
I wish I was just explaining to Ted Kenedy and his ilk what a broken army really is.  Why let historical reality get in the way of a compelling speach?  Kenedy said the U.S. Army was in a "cauldron".  The term evokes images of Stalingrade after the 6th is surounded and has eaten their last hourse.
 
I am talking about Grasslys link
?But I would suggest the first thing that would make me feel a little bit better toward them if they?d follow the Japanese example and come before the American people and take that deep bow and say, I?m sorry, and then either do one of two things: resign or go commit suicide." Grassly (R) Iowa

Grassly didn't really want anyone to die.  He better hope no one dose.  He had a lot of elected officials compeating with him to make the most press worthy slam at AIG. 
 
The real problem with the coment is that it pretends that the problem was caused by some trader rather than by the congress.
 
A book tour audance asks the speaker, "In our system the most ruthless and mean people get to the top and then they get to wright the rules to make the system work even better for them. Can't we do something, like with tax policy to change that?"  The speaker agreed and called for an end to the teaching of ecconomics because it is sociopathic.
 
The answer to the man question is yes and yes.  People who want to abuse power tend to prosue it.  The right tax code could restrain them a little bit. 
 
But the one asking the question did not understand what he was really asking for.  The abusers of power are the one righting the tax code.  They get ellected.  The tax code that limets their abuse is a tax code that leaves more moeny in private hands.  Punitive taxes that prevent private sector people from amassing power dramaticly increase the power of the elected.  They can sell loop holes, their critics can't communicate as well and their "gifts" to the people look much bigger by comparison.  All this is like saying that the rider looks more powerful and incontrol when the hourse is slowly bleeding to death.  Hobbling the private sector to increase the power of the public sector works in comparitive terms but not in absolute terms. 
 
So the calls from the ellected to restrain the power of the traders sounds hollow to me.  Like Hitler calling Paulus incompetent.  Where was this desire to protect the taxpayers when they repealed Glass-Steagall in 87.
 
 
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ker    German Suicide   3/28/2009 4:33:51 PM
In the future their will be no Germans.  They arn't making any more, eather by birth or imagration/nationalization. Imagrants come in but don't become German.  The German faimly tree is a pyrimid that ends in a point.  Replacement rate is 2.1 births per woman.  Germans running at 1.1.  That number may be inflated by imagrants get cpunted as German but are culturaly something else.
 
America, anation of imagrants many of which are German, naturalizes imagrants much more effectivly.  Amarica can become darker complected and remain America.  Germany is past the last point of return.  No one has recovered from 1.1.
 
I am proud the U.S. contribution to making Germany a stable honest peace with all it's nabors.  I like to think it was permanant.  Give it 20 or 30 years and we need to take another look.
 
History.  You think you stick a big stake in it's heart and it keeps comming back to life.
 
Some one tell Obama that for me. 
 
 
 
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ker       4/1/2009 11:17:26 AM
I have been unhappy that the most educated and healthy Americans can hang in school until 25 (w/ goverment loans better directed to the guy pumping gas at 18) then do 40 year in the work force before retiring at 65 and dying at 105.  Thats one year in the work force for each year of goverment retirement bennys.  Democracy must develop impulse control.
 
Now, I hear that Germans who pay attention can school until 34 and early retire at 42.  Germans say they have stimulious in social spending and don't need to burdon share w/ America.  No ecconomic idea survives contact with goverment.  Stimulious isn't stimulious if you have been doing it year in and year out any way.  Courproutism, keyenesianism and state interventiionism warp the mind and lead to bad decisions.  Governing under the influence if you will.
 
I once thought that America would midigate our dole when we saw how it broke Germany and Japan to maintain theirs.  We would be behind then and see them crash and we would then slow down spending on happy payments to voters.  Not sure now?
 
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First they came for the "wealthy industrialist" but I wasn't a "wealthy industrialist."  Then........
 
Remember if the U.S. makes a wipping boy of a hand full of coruprote leader the fassion will get magnified down the line.  The "common world" or old "third world" will see the private sector looted more than ours under the cover of imitating America.  World poverty redution is going back in the ice box of goverment concern for stability.  Stability is code for the rich in goverment making it imposibe to be rich out of goverment.  Monopoly, state imposed, is good for monopoly and [explicitive] for every one else.
 
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This is like Al Capone opening a program to punish guys who beat their wives.  Wife beating is bad but should some one mention that linning guys up against the wall and tommygunning them is maybe a bit worce.  Corprote corution is bad.  Using the cover of fighting courprote corution to force corporations to serve public corution is worce, maybe. 
 
Obama has a once in a lifetime chance to shrink the political class is oposition to the intention and content of the Constitution.  Rich poeple who see that the goverment can force them out of power will think twice before "petitioning the goverment for redress of grevience."  More importantly they will use their power to stop their employes from doing the same.  Sure you can protest all you want as long as the party writes the talking points for the rally.  Just like voting for Sadom. Every Iraqi had the right to do it.  Voting against him was a different matter.
 
Chilling effect on free speach.  You heard it here first. 
 
When the DNC calls for next years corprote donations there will be a different feel to the phone conversation. A tail wind.
The RNC might feel a head wind.
 
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Germany dosn't want to come to the inflation party.  That makes it hard for Obama to get away with it.  If G20 all inflate in unicion it steal from savers to pay goverments and debters with out chaning exchange rates.  Nice try.
 
The master told his steward to settel accounts because his services were no longer needed.  The steward said what will I do.  I can't go dig for wages.  The steward went to all the debters and told them to under report their debtes (6 units of oil were reported as 4 units) so that later the steward could go live with the ones he had profited.  The master said well done.
 
Thats inflation.  Write the notes down and steal from the holders.
 
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ker    South Park   4/2/2009 4:01:29 PM
Dude, you have got to whatch this.
 
South Park, Margaritaville   Episode 354
 
Full episode dosn't stream untill 4.25.09.   link
Steal some ones DVR you need to see it.
 
Bits of the show but not the kicker ending.   link
Just dead on.
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Dodds "favor" to AIG is conectable to AIG  employee donations to Dodd.  When the Dems cut W's throat they ritualy transfered all their sins into him.  So what ever the Dem congrass did is W's fault.  To keep that lie viable they need to use it a lot less. 
 
Dodd could get a primary challenge from the left. 
 
Like father like son.  He could be removed from the club by the Dems to try to isolate the damage.  That would also remove him from the primary and make it less bloody. 
 
Funny, FOX says AIG finacheal produce section headed in Dodd State wile NPR says it was headed in Briton.  Spin.
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This will really help fill those empty slots at Treasuary.  They are going to start offering plea deals where they drop a ten year sentence if you agree to work two years at Treasuary.  Trades intentionaly keep the vocabulary and other basics of their craft obscure to reduce competition and keep fees and compensation high.  Treasuary need people who already know because no one want to teach them Treasuary how to put them in jail.  With a tax cheat at the top it would be worce but their is no one at the top.  Any way AIG probibly told Ever office that they were the head quarters.
 
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ker       4/3/2009 10:56:15 AM
How did we ever get out of a ressesion be fore we had Obama?  Not to pretend that I know all the history but lets say their are multipal options.  Obama picks a path out not because it is the only way but because it serves other agendas of his as well.
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John Kerry would have gotten the French to Stimulate!
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Redistribution of wealth can be done through the cost of living index which is part of the formula for goverment and union payments.  It is belived to overestemate inflation.  It is also belived to promote inflation.  Inflation will ditribute income away from people working independent from the goverment (small busness) and towards people in patronage relationships with the goverment (unions and entitalment recipants).  Not a bad plan to get re-elected.  Take $ from the people who vote for the other guy buy raising the prices they pay for every thing.  Give moeny to people who vote for you by raising the size of their goverment check (on atomatic accounting so you can say you didn't do it).
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The idea that spending is going up in stimulative ways dosn't work.  The big increases in athorised Fed goverment spending is not much biger than the decrease in combined State goverment spending.  The Fed spending comes on line, all shovel ready retoric aside, slower than State spending cuts.  In real dollor terms it's just mitigating damage.
 
Stimuliouse = placibo.  (Unless you have other agendas.)
 
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Cap and Trade is a farce.  If you want to cut emmisions just tax fuels when they come out of the ground. Period end of story. If you want to send moeny to Al Gores carbon credit company, then you make a big complex system.
 
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ker       4/6/2009 6:06:27 PM
link NY Times October 08
 
link NPR April 1, 2009
 
The Justice Department on Wednesday asked a federal judge to drop all charges against former Sen. Ted Stevens of Alaska.
 
Two vile lies are being floted around this story. First, that the Justice department is having merry on an old man.  Senior Justice people got caught violating their oaths flegrantly and repeatedly.  Holder and the guy who got handed the seat by prosecutoraial abuse pretend justice was served by removing Stevenson and puting an old man in jail isn't nessary.  Procecuters belong in jail.  Second, the press pretends that Bush admin. people were over prosecuting.  These were "independent career" people. 
 
"How can I be sure there is any integety in the Public Integrety Section."  Judge
 
Stevenson should sue for six years pay he lost due to this mistrial. 
 
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ker       4/6/2009 6:31:13 PM
Obama wants to end the boom and bust cycal with stable double diget unemploment.  Just like his German friends.  The important numbers to look over is the ratio of moeny Americans get for none political work in the private sector against the moeny they get for political reasons from the goverment.  Very importtant.  The other numbers are the % of GDP the goverment taxes and the % of GDP the goverment spends.  The more the goverment dominates the micro ecconomy of each person and the more goverment dominates the macro ecconomy the harder it is to have open political decent.
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Insert Blogo joke here.
 
Dodd wanted a new story to push him back down the hit parrade.  Blogo wasn't his first pick.  Giving the press and the TEA party folk a primer on how corution works isn't compatable with the Dodd media plan. 
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Not a good last week for plan Obama. 
 
Cap and Trade or Cap and Tax will not be in reconciliation.  It will need sixty votes.  They ain't there. 
 
Health care funding was counting on Cap and Tax income and the end of tax dedutions for charitable donations.  Nearther is in the cards any more.  At first I thought the end of dedutions was just a diversionairy atack on the religious right to distract them from card check or some such thing.  Now sources are saying that Obama was counting on the moeny.  NGO's like them some moeny. 
 
The war on the ecconomy may be over by Chrismass.  The center left know they need to step away from Obama at times to save him from himself. 
 
If you don't do it in your first year you don't do it.  Do you belive that?
 
China is becoming a more active loan manager.  Before we dictated terms to our investers.  Now, the investers are asserting different conditions and if we talk back we won't find replacement investors.  See Britons latest attempts to sell paper.
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Bankrupcy judges are a lot more politicaly independent that ......Obama.  If he is the one determining who gets payed what that give him a vast pot of political blessings and curses to sell.  Campaine finance reform my aunt fanny.
 
 
 
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ker    Drownding Pool   4/10/2009 5:06:34 PM
In conection with the Obama buget I am hearing all the commen, resisting evil makes it stronger, arguments.
 
A slightly different line is, "Bath tub drowndings kill more Americans than terorism but we spend much much more responding to terorism there fore we are so dumb." 
 
I'll make the ovious points.  We all morn the loss when grandma drownds in the tub. We don't fear the ecconomy will be knocked off the tracks by a bath room mishap.  We don't fore see a magor undermining of goverment ligetamacy if it fails to prevent them eather.  No "Right Wing Death Squades" will form to counter the teroism that the goverment redefines as an acetable nuasaunce.  Bath tubs will not shut down large industrys like airlines or stock market or utilitys or.....
 
Teroism unlike bath tubs can grow in power.  Each success and many failures move it on up the power cruve towards being a larger problem.  If a fire is burning in a dry wood around your house don't wait untill you can prove damage to the house to respond.  Don't wonder if the fire is big enough yet to wory about.  Teroists are not attacking to kill people.  The people are just props to suport another objective.  Teror attacks are steping stones towards some other form of attack. 
 
Americans are not the only people we stop teroists from killing.  So the proper number of deaths for the comparison is much larger than than the number of dead Americans.
 
If you want to make this point to a libral tell them that smoking pot causes more lung cancer deaths that the number of deaths from hate crimes.  Then tell them terorism is a hate crime.  Then see if they are able to keep their head above watter with out assistance.
 
 
 
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ker    Is God powerfull enough to arm wrestel Him self?   4/10/2009 5:50:51 PM
Call Obama a socilists gives aid to socilists.  People should stop.  Real socilists do infiltrate religious institutions (Christain, Muslim and other) with bad intent but Obama is not one of them.  Obama is what you can call a Social Justice Christain.  They like to accuse piety and evangilism focused Christains as "Pie in the sky in the sweet by and by" ilrelevance.  Social Justice Christains take take the instrutions to care for the poor, stranger, sick and the enemy seriously.  Thats a good thing.  Remember too that a herisy is just a truth that is bushed out of balance with the rest of truth.
 
Fantacy gamers have an old joke, "If he is the right hand of God then God must be left handed."
 
Most countrys veiw their ceremonail leaders as instrements of some or another God.  The rest veiw leaders as the instrements of god like forces of history and sociatal evelution.  Lennnon under glass comes to mind.  America is no excetion but we get a bad wrape for it.  American leaders need to have a God strategy.  Always have and will.  Obamas God strategy begins with calling W disingenuious, continues with calling W followers ignorant and concludes with the lifting up the social gosple.  Now, W's God strategy began with calling Bill C. imoral, continued with calling Bills suporters Godless and concluded with lifting up Americas destiny to save the world. 
 
Both men clame an insight about Gods intentions for America.  One sounds more bible school (with a pinch of Harvard Busness school) and the other sounds Harvard divinity (with a pinch of Harvard law). 
 
How dose God make Himself known in the afairs of men? 
 
Those who see the "strong right arm, mighty to save" can be labled as children of a right handed God.  Those who see God power as a wise example can be labled as the children of a left handed God.  A right handed God delivers us from our enemys.  A left handed God prepairs a table for us in the presence of our enemys. 
 
Bush is being veiwed as a leader who practiced diplomacy by "Hellfire Missle."  Obama plays up warfare by charm offencive.
 
Funny thing is that in domestic afairs the roll reverse a little.  Bush solutions for social pains had at it's heart the instrution to take a fearless and searching moral invetory of your failure to fofill oblogations to God and nabor.  Bush was the man with a God who sat beside you as you suffered quietly held your hand.  Social programs for Obama have a spirt of a march against evil, agressive intervention to save people by spending moeny and a devine imparitive.
 
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ker       4/11/2009 6:33:24 PM
Obama keeps taking W's inventory.
 
A new bit of disinformation is that W and his VP were fighting each other.  Wrong story.  The Bush people were fighting the intrenched career burecrates.  After 12 years they feel like they own the country.  After 20 they have distain for elected officials in general.  They weren't happy to have the comander in cheif take power from them in a revolt of the elected.
 
Obama people are pretending that the career people were doing what W wanted and the the office of the VP was in conflict with W.  This includes Stevensons hack job of a procecution.  It must have been a mistake/pure desire to win because it was the Bush admin. that did it.  NOT.
 
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ker    Selling Satan   4/13/2009 6:00:46 PM
Remember Career less-than-professionals refusing lawfull orders to report to Iraq.  State Department people didn't feel like being on W's side so they wern't. So dose that mean that Rice was in conflict with W and that the foggy bottom refusenicks were doing what W wanted.  No.  
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In other news of the reasant past, remember how elements of the left tried to make Hitler W's middle name.  It went on for years.  All that came of it was that Dennis Miller said, "I call BS on that."  Now, surprise surprise surprise, press is calling Obama Musiline.  This is comming from rocked ribbed conservative bastions like CNN.  Lue Dobbs to be presise. 
 
Enter the Suther Poverty Law Center to tell us all that right win militia violence is going to rise.  The cause will be the nasty things people say about the Obama.  The logical conclusion is that the first amendment is as anachronistic as the Second. 
 
Remember when Homeland Securety was giving color codded reports of curent terror risk.  Obama suporters (maybe ones outside goverment) will start giving us weather reports on the risk of right win militia terrorism.  "Today, partly hostile with a chance of Oklahoma City."
 
Where will the intel come from?  Under cover infiltrators in the vast underground right wing insurgency /conspiricy.  Never mind that it's ATF (should be a convience store) guys watching FBI guys watching Homeland Securety guys watching Suther Poverty Law Center guys.  If the paid informents left the Klan orgainzations wouldn't be able to mimeograph a news letter. They don't get administrative suport from the Bill Aires/Ward Churchill types in our halls of higher learning.
 
Do you remember when it was oh so fasionable to say that 9-11 was an inside job?  Accusing W of causing or allowing the attack with the intention of improving his own political fortunes made for nice book deals a few years back.  (Full discloser: I have accused Obama of trashing the ecconomy to get ellected.)  So if some young Obama suporters are searching for a manly way to suport their man they might return the favor.  Make an attack and claim credit in the name some right wing fringe group.  Obama's poll numbers would pop up. 
 
Remember the witch hunts of the 80's.  The Satanic/Ritual abuse cults that were hidding under every rock in the mid-west.  One suposed former leaders of large murderious cults sold books and tapes about experience.  Talk shows interveiwed suposed group leaders.  It was easy work for some in the press and even a few cops.  In fact it was a hole lot of conecting with out any real dots.  What if those powers of exageration could be turned to ginning up a national net work of "Rightwing Death Squades."  You can wright the head lines yourself. 
 
Obama is too smart to start that fire himself. 
 
I hope he is aranging adult supervision for his Obama Youth. 
 
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ker    Sympathy Pains   4/15/2009 4:07:39 PM
I rode a tank                                       Stones
Held a generals rank                           Sympathy for the Devil
When the blitzkrieg raged                    link /> And the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, whats puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
I shouted out,
Who killed the kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
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Who threatons American securety?  Team Obama is looking at oposition press and returning (white) vets.  Profiling may be nessary.  If their plan to avoid apearing spineless overseas is to get Janet Reno tough at home we will live in interesting times.  Some one with a memory should review Ruby Ridge and Waco with who ever is wrighting the boiler plate from DHS.  Some of that love, sopistication and balance Obama lays on the Arabs, Persions and Russions ect, needs to find it's way back to his own subjects.  Giving meat heads with badges and desires to get famuse bigger guns didn't pan out well.  (Or maybe it did?) 
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As for disgruntiled vets it seams to me that the group having the most success at disgruntailing American vets were Reeds crew in the Senonet.  Obama should know he was their for the show. 
 
First, any talk of crimanal activity by vets must always account for the fact that millions of vets alive in this country and it is a lie to paint them all with the actions of one or two.  Did we drum all the Muslims out of the force when on of them rolled a few M67's at his CO?  Purging the military would have been a thoughtless mistake.  But on the rumur of right win activety Obama's DHS spooks it's self out.  In their defence they say they also say bad things about envirmental terorists. 
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Remember the press proticals that said it was wrong to talk about AQ w/o also mentioning domestic terorists.  Remember that the man who shoot JFK was a Marxist (went to Mossco to study and network MARXIST) but the press went on about his statuse as a former Marine instead. 
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link American Legion open letter on subject.
 
 
 
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ker    Sympathy Pains II   4/15/2009 8:22:56 PM
Let me please introduce myself Im a man of wealth and taste                                                           Stones
And I laid traps for troubadours Who get killed before they reached bombay                                   Sympathy
Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But whats puzzling you Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But whats confusing you Is just the nature of my game
Just as every cop is a criminal And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me lucifer cause Im in need of some restraint
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Sojurners Maginzene's link Walis is one of Obama's five cardanals of the religious left.  White house released the list.  Cardanal is my term not obamas.  I didn't paw through years of Sojurner back issues for the qoute but I remember the sentiment well.  Walis blaimed the Iraq war on to evils.  First the the segment of the American population that was willing to serve in the militairy.  He said that they really belive that it is right to kill people some times.  Then Walis complained about how W could really talk to those people.  His language of altemate justice works with them. 
 
This works with the two images of service members put forth by the left; victom and vilian.  Baby killer and the baby riped out of moma's arms like a child and mistreated.  You have seen the stock TV episode from ever murder mistry series where American troops kill inocents in Iraq, cover it up and then come home and start killing each other over the cover up.  Law and Order Crimanal Intent, Bones and other did it. 
 
So we have a segment of American people who are moraly suspect that go into the military and are then warped by the great vilain W.  How could they not come home dangerious.  Facts are not need in the argument because it is theological.  Killing is evil and the services kill.  Every thing follows from that.
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The peace movement with the election of Obama may be replacing the Navy as the source of our Comanders in Cheif.
 
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