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Subject: Obama is elected President of the United States
SYSOP    4/8/2008 9:12:32 PM
Obama is elected President of the United States
tould be a dratic year, with a bad economy and an unpopular war
 
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ker       4/23/2008 3:27:32 PM
Pat Buchanan said of Obama, he's "faculty lounge."  This was in the connect of why Obama can't close the deal or draw the Catholic vote.  I think that when  Obama and his wife try to talk about the hardships of their younger lives they run the risk of projecting more "militant" energy than blue collar "He's still one of us." 
 
Maybe this would be easier for him if he had moved in circles where "middleclassness" was not cause for disavowal. 
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"Any black person who identifies himself as middle-class psychologically withdraws from the group and becomes a proponent of strengthening and sustaining the system," link
 
It is sort of late to start learning how to bowl and fit in with the blue color folk. 
 
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ker       4/27/2008 10:00:29 PM
Dem's nomination process has been sloppy.  They are still making up the rules and the voting is largely over. When police departments hire a new officer they like to look at the applicants private car to see how he might take care of a patrol car.  Voters who want to see how the Dem's might run the executive branch  might watch how they run their own party.
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Bill got the whip.  Represenitive James E. Clyburn reminded Bill how happy he was to have the support of black Americans during impeachment.  Clyburn didn't like Bill marginalizing Obamas coming  primary victory because it was in a state with many black Democrats.  It's standard Clinton form to argue that things don't mean what they mean.  Delegates from a state Jessy Jackson won should count less that Delegates from important states that rejected Jackson??? 
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Dance with them that brought you. Obamas "Crazy Uncial" (Obamas description) is back up on the air.  He's got a new talking point, it's all Fox News' fault.  He also said that Obama was just another politician saying what would get the press off his back. I was only in that church because it had good parking? "Crazy Uncial" writes his own talking points.  So don't go around telling people you sat in a mans church for 20 years but didn't listen and then ask him for favors. 
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 Chris Matthews, Hardballer that he is, said, "I just love the fact that the catholics are now being studied like some kind of, I wanta (sic) call it, New Guinea tribe. Were trying to figure them out."  This might explain his ratings.  More importantly, the Dem's may have the same problem.  Do they know if the Catholic vote is going to Hillrod because they like her or because they dislike what the Barack is cooking?  Really the problem is not understanding but actions.  The party has cut the observant Catholic Americans out of the party decision making and then looked for sophomoric arguments to keep them voting blue. 
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They also use super delegates to prevent the teachers unions and trial lawyers from picking a candidate who would rub the centrists noses in the fact that they are out.  They know they need a candidate who can pass as a centrist, like Jimmy "Blood Libel" Carter did.  Maybe the Jews and the catholics vote together way this year?  Jimmy writes his own talking points now too.
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We may be witnessing a big divorce.  In Europe standard political language describes center left Christan Democrats and hard left Social Democrats.  Senators Obama and Clinton currently represent hard left and center left support bases in the Democratic party.  The practices that held those two factions together are under strain.  Obama is bringing new people into the party.  I questioning if those people are really Republicans and moderates.  At this point in the game they may be politically unformed young people and non-voters who had rejected the democrat's for being to much like the Republicans.  Obama and the net roots set are moving the parties center of gravity left.  That movement has been going on for a long time.  Remember all the elected Democrats who jumped party during the Clinton administration.  Then well before that people like Ronald Reagan and Phil Gram were left out of the Democrats moving camp.  When Obama consolidates the nomination another class of Democrats may leave.  This time they may become a New Independent Democratic Party rather than joining with the GOP.  That political formation could dramatically increase the numbers that go out.  In either case the lose of ballast in the center promotes the tilt left which speeds the positive feed back loop.  There is a need for some countervailing force to pull the party back into homeostases, stability.  You tell me where that comes from.  Former Presidents?  Joe Lieberman? Zell Miller? Ann Richards? 
 
 
 
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ker       4/30/2008 7:33:33 PM
 
I know that a politician might write a less than academicly serious book.  Obama used a sermon tittle, "The Audacity of Hope" as the tittle of his second book.  A serious author doing that would have a better than fair understanding of the career and thought of the person he lifts the tittle from.  Obama lied about not knowing who Write was.  OR   His situational awareness is so impaired as to make him a threat to the nation should he become POTUS. 
 
Write is not just setting up a book contract.  He is positioning him self perfectly for a high profile position in the American university system. 
 
I do think that they had a falling out over who was top dog.  
 
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ker       4/30/2008 8:12:16 PM
This link which kind of county go for which democrat.
 
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ker       5/1/2008 4:15:48 PM
You have heard of the starter wife.  You marry a woman and use her family and social contacts for your work wile letting her decorate your arm.  Then when your ship comes in and your worth some real money you trade her in for this years module and lawyer her out of your life.  Well Obama had the "Audacity of Hope" that he could make a career in politics networking with Wright and then trade up to Howard Dean once the inter net money rolled in.
 
Wrights a top not a bottom.  "Old Solders never die they just fade away" but Wright ain't going down like that.  He will not be put away quietly.
 
There are still other rocks to kick over in Obama's past.  If wright was really about throwing Obama under the bus he would talk about where the bodes are buried in the church yard.  What he is doing now is just letting us all know he is a man. 
 
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ker       5/4/2008 11:17:29 PM
I heard that Obama was sharing his biggest donors with the DNC/Howard Dean.  I think this is to circumvent the campaign finance laws.  The big checks  from people who want to give to Obama will be redirected to the Party or state party to avoid limits and to conceal just how high Obamas cash burn rate will get. Protect his clean new image and prevent talk about how his returns on investment might now be as high as donors would want.
 
Another less probable meaning has occurred to me.  Dean is positioning to keep the milk if and when he loses the cow.  Promising Obama coordination and support now and in the general but hedging the bet.  Donner lists are to politics what pattens are to parmasutical corporations. ( What contacts are to drug traffickers. Have you seen the movie Blow?) 
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 I still think that Obama is the nominee.  85 or 95% certain.  Now Obama is easer to beat than Hillary in a vacuum.  Obama is more dangerous to the Republicans in the sense that he might brake out and produce a trans formative election that Hillary never could.  It's a difference of probability and magnitude.  Hillary has a higher probability of winning and doing it in a none trans formative way.  Obama has a lower probability of winning but if he wins he could win bigger than Hillary could even imagine.  Hill goes twelve rounds and probably loses in a split choice ala Gore/Kerry.  Obama is less predictable and either fighter could be out cold in the third round. 
 
The way to beat Obama is to show his "post racial" "post partisan" third way as disingenuous and unrealistic fantasy.  Without looking like the "Grinch that Stole Christmas."  The question is weather the 2008 swift boats will connect him with white color crime or mob/street gang him up.  Did he ever speak or act against the Vice Lords? Or did he play patty cake with them like he plans to do with Iran?
 
At the same time McCain needs to promise "provincial reconstruction" teams with generous use of FBI assets committed to serve locations with concentrated black poverty.  The law enforcement component would focus on protecting people on the street and the social service side would be bigger and focus on direct service.  Micro finance link replace payday loans, local none profit food distribution www.sharecolorado.com to replace Mad Dog booze stores, and family friendly public library like internet cafés to replace midnight basketball drug deal spots.  Call it a community based vision and tie it to faith and community based programs if your talking to people who like it that way.
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McCain needs to have a plan to get more votes than anyone has ever gotten before.  The Dems will get more votes than Bush got last time unless they explode and split in to two different party.  He need the son of the Rove turn out machine to be running well in the hands of many of Roves students and McCain needs to bring a new and impressive national operation to attract and hold and activate none Republicans.  Bushs father was sure the nation would never elect a draft dodger (Bill Clinton) and was wrong.  (Barbra Bush, "have you heard the news, my son is running for president.  The bad news is that it's Gorge.")
 
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ker       5/12/2008 3:52:30 PM
I found a tool for calculating the effects of changing the out come of the election in particular states.  It also has good history of past elections.
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Rove has released some poll numbers comparing how the demarcates would fair differently again McCain in state by state comparison.  Roves partisan but the numbers are pear reviewed because the poll data is open and Dems can do the same math.  Buzz is rove is being careful and could have called Ohio and Michigan for McCain but did not. 
 
Obama needs a new plan. 
 
Swapping for Clinton at this point would be like a heart transplant.  The gain (she looks to win Florida and AR) is not worth the risk and trauma of the operation needed to make the swap.  Among other gifts the change would give to the GOP is that it would open the door to black voters wanting to leave the Dems plantation.  When the pro bowl wide reviver got into a fight with the pro bowl center the quarter back smacked the reviver in the head and said, "you may keep me in the sports pages but he keeps me out of the obituary".  White suburban educated voters might put Dems in victory in good years but blacks keep them out of the obits in bad years.  This is most true in house races where Dems drew the district maps. 
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When I look at possible GOP VPs they all look like great cabinet appointments.
When I look at Dems VP options they all look like perfect reminders of whats wrong with Obama.
 
"Edward G. Rendell, Pennsylvania?s 45th Governor, began a second term of office on January 16, 2007, following a landslide re-election victory. As Governor, Rendell serves as chief executive of the nation?s 6th-most-populous state and oversees a $27.5 billion budget." From the Governors web site link
 
I think Rendell would be a good pick because he brings PA, a drop dead can't lose state, and has executive experience.  VP Rendell would make Cheney look inactive and unimportant.  Rendell would need lots of Valiums to keep from overwhelming President Obama in every way.  Having Rendell run with Obama is like having the Pope run errands for a Bishop.  But we all knew that something was wrong with the Dems nomination process.  Remember Carter (297 electoral votes with Watergate to run on, 49 as incumbent), Dukakis (111), Mondale (13). 
 
 
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ker       5/16/2008 6:06:49 PM
I just lifted this off  bwana but it made me think so much of this thread.
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link lang=EN>Posted by bwana on August 1, 2007
?Among the many books I am reading is Boyd: The Fighter Pilot Who Changed the Art of War. The late John Boyd was an Air Force fighter pilot who moved from being a crack pilot to being on the cutting edge of military purchasing reform to becoming a lead advocate in manuver warfare.
?Boyd offered many presentations and briefings in his search for the origins of creativity and how that capability can best be translated to military operations. He ultimately created a model called the OODA Loop (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act)?
 
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??which represents a continuing cycle of decision making.  This concept has been put into effect by the Marine Corps as part of their basic combat methodology, and has been adapted by many corporations as a management model.
?As I read this, I thought how this would fit perfectly into the sturm and drang of a political campaign.  In fact, one could say the entire Macaca incident of the 2006 campaign and the manner in which the Webb campaign took advantage of the gaffe, and then followed up as the Allen campaign stumbled, was the OODA loop in action.
?There is some irony in this.  John Boyd had a group of six ?Acolytes? who carried his methodolgy into the fields of purchasing, weapons planning, and manuver theory.  One of these six was retired Marine Corps Colonel Michael Wyly, who spearheaded bringing manuver warfare to the Corps. Wyly was a company comander in Vietnam and turned a unit that suffered high casualties into one of the crack combat forces in Southeast Asia. A young lieutenant under his command later wrote a novel about his experiences in Vietnam, and wrote glowingly of his commander. Years later, that Wyly in turn a different kind of epistle about his lieutenant?when he endorsed his former lieutenant for the US Senate.
?As you may have guessed, the young lieutenant was James Webb, Jr?.creating a different kind of loop!"
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Then the writer goes on to claim that it woun't realy work.  Check the link if you want to read that part.

 
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ker       6/2/2008 9:17:18 PM
The great uniter severed from his church home. Can he have God as his father with out the church as your mother.  Will he join a better church or be a lone ranger Christin indefinitely?  Start the count of days Obama has been unchurched. Why couldn't he correct his church and lead it in the way it should go?  Is he saving all that mojo for something big?  What has this man ever united and why hasn't he told us already? 
 
Will the weakly mags still show him in glorious angelic light on their covers?
 
If Iran makes fun of Hillary's tears will Obama stop talking for them...I mean to them?
 
 
 
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ker       6/20/2008 7:38:21 PM
 

Dutch land or a jelly donut. 

 

A paperhanging SOB with a messiah complex once said, ?I am Germany.? Another quisa-messiah who never dirtied his hands to hang paper tried to say, ?I am a citizen of Berlin? but offered up ?I am a jelly donut!? They loved him anyway. Like Obama who once or twice got a standing ovation for blowing his nose if you get the rep for being a passionate speaker you can make any mistake and people will praise it as innovation. 

 

IDF 2nd lieutenants say ?either a medal or a corporal? meaning they are going to be very heroic and very very successful or they will get demoted so far their girlfriend won?t need to bother telling them that she doesn?t date below her tax bracket. Obama is going to be a medal or a corporal - the embodiment of the nation or a jelly donut. 

 

Obama will be the second coming of Franklin Roosevelt or warmed over Jimmy Carter. Unless he loses in which case he will be warmed over McGovern.

 

Obama is to the Democrats what Bush was to the GOP 8 years ago. He represents old school liberalism in a palatable young package. He unites and energizes the left and amuses the middle wile making the right worry. That?s the mirror image of what Bush did in 00. In time we may find that Obama raises false hope in the left, enrages the middle and empowers the right. Remember Bush was a ?uniter not a divider? with a plan for a modest foreign police and great distain for his predecessor. In symbolism Obama is reaching out to everybody from Regan to Khomeini. In fact Obama?s political horizon reaches from Howard Dean to Rev. Jackson with an open door to Nancy Pelosi and Mayor Daley.

 

?I?m skinny but I?m tough, I?m from Chicago!?  "Change we can believe in."
 
 
 
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgement of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again

The change, it had to come
We knew it all along
We were liberated from the foe, that' all
And the world looks just the same
And history ain't changed
'Cause the banners, they all flown in the next war

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
No, no!

I'll move myself and my family aside
If we happen to be left half alive
I'll get all my papers and smile at the sky
For I know that the hypnotized never lie

Do ya?

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

There's nothing in the street
Looks any different to me
And the slogans are replaced, by-the-bye
And the parting on the left
Is now the parting on the right
And the beards have all grown longer overnight

I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and pray
We don't get fooled again
Don't get fooled again
No, no!

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
 
Woun't get Fooled Again-The Who

 
 
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