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Subject: The United States of America and Islamic republic of Iran acheave a diplomatic brake through in 200
SYSOP    12/20/2007 5:57:18 AM
The United States of America and Islamic republic of Iran acheave a diplomatic brake through in 2008.
Think about the probibility matrix that Iran is making about our next election. They may feel that the Clintons had no more control over the military than Bush has over State. A Clinton administration may challenge Iran to not look weak on defence in the fist term. Remember that if she wins a million dollor industry will open up publishing books about how the Clintons are sleeper agents for China, ect. Any dem administrations talks with Iran will produce temporary and highly compromised results. If Bush had cut wellfair every one would know that the changes would be erased with the next Democratic victory. Same for Dems on Iran. If dems deal then G.O.P. campains against Iran for a decade or more. Any Republican winner would put Iran on the talk strong and don''t try anything complicated track for years.

If Iran wants to deal with America for the long term, stably and effectivly they need a Bush deal not an anti-bush or post-bush deal. If they want to wait and see what the world looks like in nine years they can pass.

So if all the postering from Iran is postering then then need to chash it in before November 08.
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The Ecconomists 2008 year out look special addition clames that both Iran and Iraq have tried to reach out to each other when they felt strong. The U.S. made an offer after invading Iraq and Iran made a proposel wile the occupation was precived as American weakness.

Israils existance and Irans desire for nukes complicate things but the intelegent observer will see that Israil will remain and Iran will creat the apearance of having nukes but not have usable ones.
 
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Colin Campbell       1/10/2008 11:13:08 PM
I don't think that anybody in Iran has the political power to even conduct any kind of negotiations with the US. 
And it would be too easy for the hard-liners to derail these talks simply by forcing an incident like the one that occurred last weekend.
 
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streetangel    A Push to a Path of Another Illegal War?   3/25/2008 12:18:01 AM
It all sounds to much like Iraq,
 
We have the hype and talk of Iran providing Iraq with weapons and material to make explosive devices.  Fallon was the one person in the military and the Pentagon standing between the White House and war with Iran.  He was brazen enough to stand up against Bush and tell him a war with Iran is ill-advised.  After what the administration did to Powell and Tenent, I don't think he wanted to be another one of Bushes patsies.  As the lies were being told about Iraq, Powell was thrown under the bus - and he resigned.  Of course George Tenent followed later on.
 
If there are no plans to go to war in Iran, I would question why we have a number of navy ships, aircraft carriers and subs  in the Gulf.  Not only is this considered to be an act of aggression, it of course is going to provoke Iran.  They kidnapped British navy officers last spring, and Iranian gunboats threatened our warships in January, claiming we entered Iranian territorial waters.  If there are plans to go to war, well then this year would be the year, before the general election in the hopes of swaying the American people who have made it VERY clear they want change by voting dems into the White House and coming out in droves to vote in the primaries.  
 
There is a comparison of Bush to LBJ.  Below is an excerpt from  John Hogue's  web site:
 
 
Calling Bush an "Isolationist" has a certain perverse partial accuracy about it. One could argue that he actively pursues his unilateralist and aggressive foreign policy with the mindset of an isolationist. He perceives his enemies with the dedication of a narrow American perspective that will not countenance another view and his enemy knows it. That is one of the reasons why al-Qaeda and jihadists from the Shia and Sunni cells of the Iraqi resistance are ever ahead of Bush's learning curve in strategizing their next moves in this war. This situation draws a strange parallel to another Texan president, 40 years ago, who fought a war with Ho Chi Minh's North Vietnam. President Johnson could not culturally see a reason beyond his all-American Texan "wheeler dealer" mindset to anticipate the moves and thoughts of his Vietnamese adversary.
 
Both Texans stood in righteous and defiant intellectual isolation from their enemy's motivations. They failed to know their enemy, worked hard at it even. What had happened to LBJ is happening now to GWB: the price of presidential ignorance is losing America a war". 
I would say John H. is right on.  Bush has gone so far as to refuse to listen to his many wise and seasoned advisors (well, I'll leave ole Rummy out), they have all resigned!  Many of our allies are no longer allies, and our credibility globally is shot to hell so one could say we have isolated ourselves from the world.  
 
An invasion of Iran would most likely invoke terrorist attacks here at home, then of course we would need martial law- just in time to put elections on hold. O.K., sounds a little bit extreme, but hey this arogant administration has already lied to us once to get into Iraq so Bush could finish the job, while Afghanistan is ignored and we never caught Bin Laden.  And what did Cheney say recently to an ABC reporter who asked him what he thought about the number of Americans who don't think we should be in Iraq - his word was "so"?  As if to say to f______ bad.  Gotta love the respect and courtesy of Dick and George.      
 
Remember my prediction, we will be in Iran before November!        
 
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