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Subject: By 2012, Moslem scholars will publish evidence that Jesus did not die on the cross.
SYSOP    2/26/2006 1:54:44 PM
By 2012, Moslem scholars will publish evidence that Jesus did not die on the cross.
In an effort to further their belief that Islam is God's only true religion and that the prophet Mohammed was God's last prophet, Moslem scholars will scour the bulk of Moslem historical writings in an effort to spread Islam throughout the Christian world.
 
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CJH    RE:By 2012, Moslem scholars will publish evidence that Jesus did not die on the cross.   2/27/2006 1:26:32 PM
There is a saying to the effect that no civilization can rise above its conception of a god. If you look at the Europe of Mohammed's day you will see an unbelievably backward place. If you look at the Middle East of Mohammed's day you see a place rich in the legacy of classical civilization. Fast forward a thousand and more years and you see that the formerly superstitious, backward and barbarous Europe is now the world's leader in the arts and sciences having only recently rediscovered classical learning. You see the Muslim world to be a backward mass of warring tribes. Islam is not a religion of the Bible. It is a facsimile of one at best. Allah was the Sabean moon god of Mohammed's tribe before Mohammed promoted him. Allah is no more the god of the Bible than was Baal or Molech. The whole religion is based on a fabrication and the proof of that is in how it is manifested outwardly. You don't see Christian Americans applying for work and education visas for a college education and for careers in Muslim countries. You don't see fundamentalist Christians flying airplanes into mosques or blowing themselves up on Saudi Arabian busses. You don't see Christians discussing their Christianity with Muslims in Muslim countries in complete freedom. J. Vernon McGee said that you can tell the children of God because of the way they take after their father. You can tell who Muslims don't take after by just watching what they do.
 
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Ozamist    RE:By 2012, Moslem scholars will publish evidence that Jesus did not die on the cross.   4/17/2006 2:11:51 AM
You took the words right out of my mouth but mabe a bit better
 
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Julius II       1/15/2008 2:38:54 PM
  1. [4.157] And their saying: Surely we have killed the Messiah, Isa son of Marium, the apostle of Allah; and they did not kill him nor did they crucify him, but it appeared to them so (like Isa) and most surely those who differ therein are only in a doubt about it; they have no knowledge respecting it, but only follow a conjecture, and they killed him not for sure.
This passage is from the Koran - Sura 4 called The Women.  Isa son of Marium is Jesus son of Mary.  It has long been a Moslem story that Jesus did not die on the cross and in other stories Judas took his place.  Therefore the ressurection was a fraud.

 
 
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Herald12345       1/16/2008 12:31:08 PM
 I'm looking at this subject now because I became curious.  Most of the moslem scholarship I find on the subject is utter garbage.

Herald
 
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isa       4/29/2008 10:49:30 PM

The doctrine of Christianity, officially since the fourth century became the new invention of the Romans. Scriptures combined with Roman paganism produced a severe doctrinal distortion of who Jesus was and what he said. Early unitarians argued that God is One and cannot be divided in three or have three different aspects. Such early records were destroyed, and whoever remained alive to preach the same was tortured or killed. Those records that were kept, "the apocrypha", still exist. The biggest paradox is that Christians know the least of who Jesus really was and what he said. That is because such objective, historical approach would mean renouncing faith for a Christian. But what is there to renounce... the lies of the Romans for the truth of Jesus who said that God is One, worship no other than God Himself. Consider that Jesus? teachings were in Aramaic which is a semitic language like Arabic and in fact very close to Arabic. Muhammad in many thousand million ways was closer to Jesus than any Christian or even Muslim can dream to be. They were both semitic people, they were both Prophets of God, they both taught people to worship no God but God, and all this is no different from what Abraham, Moses, David or any other prophet of God taught.

 
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swhitebull       4/30/2008 7:46:35 AM

The doctrine of Christianity, officially since the
fourth century became the new invention of the Romans. Scriptures combined with
Roman paganism produced a severe doctrinal distortion of who Jesus was and what
he said. Early unitarians argued that God is One and cannot be divided in three
or have three different aspects. Such early records were destroyed, and whoever
remained alive to preach the same was tortured or killed. Those records that
were kept, "the apocrypha", still exist. The biggest paradox is that
Christians know the least of who Jesus really was and what he said. That is
because such objective, historical approach would mean renouncing faith for a
Christian. But what is there to renounce... the lies of the Romans for the
truth of Jesus who said that God is One, worship no other than God Himself. Consider
that Jesus? teachings were in Aramaic which is a semitic language like Arabic
and in fact very close to Arabic. Muhammad in many thousand million ways was
closer to Jesus than any Christian or even Muslim can dream to be. They were
both semitic people, they were both Prophets of God, they both taught people to
worship no God but God, and all this is no different from what Abraham, Moses,
David or any other prophet of God taught.


I wasnt aware that Jesus was a pedophile.  Or that he went out of his way to slaughter Jews because some disagreed with him. Yep  - really close and kindred spirits, Jesus and big Mohammy, with an emphasis on the Ham.
 
 
swhitebull -  another member of the so-called Religion of Peace heard from. I prefer to call it the Religion of the Perpetually Offended.

 
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isa       4/30/2008 10:25:18 AM
I guess yours is the "Religion of Perpetually Offensive". Aisha was Muhammad's lawfully married wife and the daughter of his closest friend. As for the Jewish community, maybe you do not know that one of Muhammad's wives was Jewish. At the time of war, many Arabs got killed too, not just Jews. 
 
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isa       4/30/2008 11:11:10 AM
The Jewish community experienced a spiritual revival during the islamic civilisation and their golden age is identified with this period. Then came the crusaders to "help", first with propaganda and then with military action incited violence. It is known that during such military campaigns Muslims and Jews alike, were brutally killed, because they were not Christian. As for Jesus himself, he criticized those who did not follow in God's path, and those who were in power persecuted him. Others that followed him were the true early Christians. Jesus' criticism was directed toward his own community and for their benefit. This was the early Christianity. Then the Romans, in a series of councils created what we have today, and suppresed all those who spoke against the trinitarian theology. Some of what we have is still true, but part of it is modified. I do not mean anything against Christians when I say any of this, but I do have much against Romans for having oppressed and killed the true followers of Christ, and for having tampered with God's scriptures. We are all human after all and free to chose what we want to be.
 
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historynut       4/30/2008 12:01:47 PM
More then one Christen sect has said Christ did not die on the cross. Some say he moved to Europe and raised a family there. Sounds like the Moslems are a little late in there publishing (1500 years). This is not the first time someone said he didn't die and probley will not be the last.
 
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isa       4/30/2008 12:38:43 PM
The writing says they will publish EVIDENCE, and that is quite intriguing, since it has not been done to date.
 
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swhitebull       4/30/2008 12:53:22 PM

I guess yours is the "Religion of Perpetually Offensive". Aisha was Muhammad's lawfully married wife and the daughter of his closest friend. As for the Jewish community, maybe you do not know that one of Muhammad's wives was Jewish. At the time of war, many Arabs got killed too, not just Jews. 



Yeah,  after Mohammy arranged to murder the Jewish husband, then forcibly marry the widow. Its called RAPE. As far the 7-year old Ayesha, that has been covered extensively on the India board, who have head to deal with Muslim invaders for centuries and know all of the tired old apologies and excuses Muslims make to justify pedophilia, rape, incest, torture, etc etc ad nauseum.
 
 
swhitebull - definition of Offensive -  bringing out inconvenient truths about the false religion of Muhammed's delusional fantasy world. So much for the so-called "religion of Peace" and tolerance. Blow up anyone, lately? I dont see Christians and Jews rioting and threatening to cut of the heads of those who insult their religion - do you. So many muslims have such a BIG inferiority complex that they think that their all-powerful deity needs defending? What - ALLAH cant stand up for itself? But needs a bunch of frothing-at-the-mouth bozos to riot at the mere thought of a insult? Some all-powerful deity, indeed. the adhereents of Islam are a bunch of 7th century losers. Grow up and join the civilized world. Now if you're offended by that, so be it.
 
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swhitebull       4/30/2008 1:08:44 PM
More tolerance of other faiths from the Religion of the Perpetually Outraged:
 
Indonesian christians being intimidated and fear for their lives:
 
 
link
 
 
I assume Jesus - in all of his similarities to Muhammy -  would have approved, right?
 
 
swhitebull - oyu could add in the purging of most Christians from the West Bank of the Palestinian mandate, and the intimdation of Christians or downright murders of them by Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza. There is a reason why 75% of all known terrorist groups are Muslim - or havent you figured it out yet. It's sure not because they love their brothers like Jesus preached. Perhaps its because they can not tolerate any other mode of faith or thinking other than their own? Another inconvenient truth, isnt it?
 
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isa       4/30/2008 8:06:52 PM




I guess yours is the "Religion of Perpetually Offensive". Aisha was Muhammad's lawfully married wife and the daughter of his closest friend. As for the Jewish community, maybe you do not know that one of Muhammad's wives was Jewish. At the time of war, many Arabs got killed too, not just Jews. 





Yeah,  after Mohammy arranged to murder the Jewish husband, then forcibly marry the widow. Its called RAPE. As far the 7-year old Ayesha, that has been covered extensively on the India board, who have head to deal with Muslim invaders for centuries and know all of the tired old apologies and excuses Muslims make to justify pedophilia, rape, incest, torture, etc etc ad nauseum.

 

 

swhitebull - definition of Offensive -  bringing out inconvenient truths about the false religion of Muhammed's delusional fantasy world. So much for the so-called "religion of Peace" and tolerance. Blow up anyone, lately? I dont see Christians and Jews rioting and threatening to cut of the heads of those who insult their religion - do you. So many muslims have such a BIG inferiority complex that they think that their all-powerful deity needs defending? What - ALLAH cant stand up for itself? But needs a bunch of frothing-at-the-mouth bozos to riot at the mere thought of a insult? Some all-powerful deity, indeed. the adhereents of Islam are a bunch of 7th century losers. Grow up and join the civilized world. Now if you're offended by that, so be it.


I do not know who "Mohammy" is, but I can tell you that just like you do not know who Jesus was you are far less likely to know who Muhammad was. You know only little enough to help you bring out your racism and pre-conveived notions. In fact, you do not even know the Jesus that Christians believe in. Did he not teach you to turn the other cheek? Where is you humility?

As for your criticism of Muslims, they are human beings, and each human being individually will one day have to explain his own deeds. Do not think that Christians got a ticket to heaven by simply beliving in Christ and then behaving like you are behaving. I will not render account for deeds of any other human being than myself. My personal opinion of such people who use terror, is that they are doing a disfavour to their own religion. And God knows, they may even be working for those who want Islam to appear that way, perhaps including yourself. Do you not know that the collapse of the twin towers was a controlled demolishion? Now I do not know who, what, were and how, but that it was controlled, I have firm knowledge. So, go figure.

I certainly have no need to defend Allah. He is the God of everything that exists and therefore all human beings too. He is not a "deity", but God Himself (Allah is God in Arabic, and Arab Christians have the same name for God), and God knows what you fate or my fate is.

I would "grow up" and "joing the civilized world" but I fear that it is collapsing rapidly from all the sins. Seen any documentaries lately? I do not see Musllims ransacking sovereign countries or killing people like they are subhuman. I do not see Muslims making wars out of greed, and spreading violence in all corners of the world, supporting oppressive regimes and deceptively overthrowing those elected by vote of people.

People like you think that the west bears the torch of all civilization, but you forget that your progress began with the separation of faith from science, first which Islam already had in place centuries earlier... then of course the separation of faith from state and the Industrial Revolution. What has it created... great big cities, and complex technologies... and from its outset, poverty, famine, human suffering, slums, wars and ultimately the destruction of the whole planet. So it was not Christianity that got you where you are but first separation of Christianity from state and then the Industrial Revolution itself.




 
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isa       4/30/2008 8:08:10 PM










I guess yours is the "Religion of Perpetually Offensive". Aisha was Muhammad's lawfully married wife and the daughter of his closest friend. As for the Jewish community, maybe you do not know that one of Muhammad's wives was Jewish. At the time of war, many Arabs got killed too, not just Jews. 








Yeah,  after Mohammy arranged to murder the Jewish husband, then forcibly marry the widow. Its called RAPE. As far the 7-year old Ayesha, that has been covered extensively on the India board, who have head to deal with Muslim invaders for centuries and know all of the tired old apologies and excuses Muslims make to justify pedophilia, rape, incest, torture, etc etc ad nauseum.



 



 



swhitebull - definition of Offensive -  bringing out inconvenient truths about the false religion of Muhammed's delusional fantasy world. So much for the so-called "religion of Peace" and tolerance. Blow up anyone, lately? I dont see Christians and Jews rioting and threatening to cut of the heads of those who insult their religion - do you. So many muslims have such a BIG inferiority complex that they think that their all-powerful deity needs defending? What - ALLAH cant stand up for itself? But needs a bunch of frothing-at-the-mouth bozos to riot at the mere thought of a insult? Some all-powerful deity, indeed. the adhereents of Islam are a bunch of 7th century losers. Grow up and join the civilized world. Now if you're offended by that, so be it.



I do not know who "Mohammy" is, but I can tell you that just like you do not know who Jesus was you are far less likely to know who Muhammad was. You know only little enough to help you bring out your racism and pre-conveived notions. In fact, you do not even know the Jesus that Christians believe in. Did he not teach you to turn the other cheek? Where is you humility?

As for your criticism of Muslims, they are human beings, and each human being individually will one day have to explain his own deeds. Do not think that Christians got a ticket to heaven by simply beliving in Christ and then behaving like you are behaving. I will not render account for deeds of any other human being than myself. My personal opinion of such people who use terror, is that they are doing a disfavour to their own religion. And God knows, they may even be working for those who want Islam to appear that way, perhaps including yourself. Do you not know that the collapse of the twin towers was a controlled demolishion? Now I do not know who, what, were and how, but that it was controlled, I have firm knowledge. So, go figure.

I certainly have no need to defend Allah. He is the God of everything that exists and therefore all human beings too. He is not a "deity", but God Himself (Allah is God in Arabic, and Arab Christians have the same name for God), and God knows what you fate or my fate is.

I would "grow up" and "joing the civilized world" but I fear that it is collapsing rapidly from all the sins. Seen any documentaries lately? I do not see Musllims ransacking sovereign countries or killing people like they are subhuman. I do not see Muslims making wars out of greed, and spreading violence in all corners of the world, supporting oppressive regimes and deceptively overthrowing those elected by vote of people.

People like you think that the west bears the torch of all civilization, but you forget that your progress began with the separation of faith from science, first which Islam already had in place centuries earlier... then of course the separation of faith from state and the Industrial Revolution. What has it created... great big cities, and complex technologies... and from its outset, poverty, famine, human suffering, slums, wars and ultimately the destruction of the whole planet. So it was not Christianity that got you where you are but first separation of Christianity from state and then the Industrial Revolution itself.





I do not know who "Mohammy" is, but I can tell you that just like you do not know who Jesus was you are far less likely to know who Muhammad was. You know only little enough to help you bring out your racism and pre-conveived notions. In fact, you do not even know the Jesus that Christians believe in. Did he not teach you to turn the other cheek? Where is you humility?

As for your criticism of Muslims, they are human beings, and each human being individually will one day have to explain his own deeds. Do not think that Christians got a ticket to heaven by simply beliving in Christ and then behaving like you are behaving. I will not render account for deeds of any other human being than myself. My personal opinion of such people who use terror, is that they are doing a disfavour to their own religion. And God knows, they may even be working for those who want Islam to appear that way, perhaps including yourself. Do you not know that the collapse of the twin towers was a controlled demolishion? Now I do not know who, what, were and how, but that it was controlled, I have firm knowledge. So, go figure.

I certainly have no need to defend Allah. He is the God of everything that exists and therefore all human beings too. He is not a "deity", but God Himself (Allah is God in Arabic, and Arab Christians have the same name for God), and God knows what you fate or my fate is.

I would "grow up" and "joing the civilized world" but I fear that it is collapsing rapidly from all the sins. Seen any documentaries lately? I do not see Musllims ransacking sovereign countries or killing people like they are subhuman. I do not see Muslims making wars out of greed, and spreading violence in all corners of the world, supporting oppressive regimes and deceptively overthrowing those elected by vote of people.

People like you think that the west bears the torch of all civilization, but you forget that your progress began with the separation of faith from science, first which Islam already had in place centuries earlier... then of course the separation of faith from state and the Industrial Revolution. What has it created... great big cities, and complex technologies... and from its outset, poverty, famine, human suffering, slums, wars and ultimately the destruction of the whole planet. So it was not Christianity that got you where you are but first separation of Christianity from state and then the Industrial Revolution itself.

 
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isa       4/30/2008 8:22:54 PM

More tolerance of other faiths from the Religion of the Perpetually Outraged:

 

Indonesian christians being intimidated and fear for their lives:

 

 

link target="_blank">link
 

 

I assume Jesus - in all of his similarities to Muhammy -  would have approved, right?

 

 

swhitebull - oyu could add in the purging of most Christians from the West Bank of the Palestinian mandate, and the intimdation of Christians or downright murders of them by Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza. There is a reason why 75% of all known terrorist groups are Muslim - or havent you figured it out yet. It's sure not because they love their brothers like Jesus preached. Perhaps its because they can not tolerate any other mode of faith or thinking other than their own? Another inconvenient truth, isnt it?



Somehow you reminded me of how Christianity spread in the Americas and Africa. You reminded of how the  aboriginals of the Americas were killed and eslaved and how their civilisation was destroyed. You reminded me of how the Africans were enslaved. Yes there is a reason for such statistics.... that the infrastructure of their countries was destroyed and breeding ground for such violence and injustice was created by the Western civilisation itself. Tell me than why these things did not exist before 90's as much as today. Muslims existed back then too did they not? Oh, but they were not terrorists then. They are only terrorists now when the media needs them to be so they can satisfy the imperialistic greed of US. I assume in your opinion, Jesus, in all similarity to "Christians" would have approved all that I said. The inconvenient truths are in your own backyard.
 
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