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Subject: .50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING)
    6/19/2005 1:39:31 AM

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We have had several readers tell us that this is not sniper video, but varmint hunting video. After we took a second look we tend to agree with the varmint hunting theory. What do you think?
 
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model70    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper Video from Afghanistan (WARNING Graphic and Disturbing)   6/19/2005 3:13:51 AM
I was fooled too. The clip is from Varmint Safari and is footage of their videos on hunting. The targets are not Tali-ban, Al-Queda or Al-Gore for that matter but the illustrious Wood Chuck. The weapons used are the wildcat .22BR and 22-250.
 
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Teufelhund1775    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper Video from Afghanistan (WARNING Graphic and Disturbing)   6/19/2005 9:13:44 AM
The rounds could be 17 HMR from Hornady, there is a web-site that has video of some devistating shots against prairie dogs using this round: www.dogbegone.com Hopefully, the troops have more important things on their mind than taping their sniper shots, I don't think the snipers would be taping them anyway. They're more concerned with concealment and following up their shots, or scanning for another target. Even their spotters are scanning the area.
 
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repins    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper    6/22/2005 4:31:24 PM
I think the varmits are the Taliban, the video is to blurry to tell for sure, which means the distance is vast, much to vast for a 22-250. We need more video to be sure! Please send more .50 cal shots of terrorists being blown to bits.....any info on the type of ammo used would be greatly appreciated...HE,FMJ,HPBT?
 
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FSV    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING)   6/23/2005 3:30:20 AM
I'm basing my comments on my limited experance of killing people with a M2. But I have fired over 20K rds of .50 cal. and supervised the firing of over 500K rds of Ball & API .50 cal rds. (21 yrs in tanks & LAV's) In all the 'shots' it looks as tho a 'pyro' charge is used on the target. In the 2nd shot a cloud rises above the target. In the 3rd shot there apeers to be a blast pattern that orignates at the target and fans out (only), to the left & up in a cone shape. All of this is contary to the normal way a blood mist appears. The 'body parts' are just not 'acting' normally! They all seem to take off with a bit of 'up' angle at first. And thay are traveling at departure angles that are to steep, to the line of trajectory. In the 4th shot, body parts actually land in front of the target! Normally, body parts travel in an angle of 45 degrees for API rds (30 deg for Ball) to the line of trajectory. This is a 'cone pattern' that starts at the 'point of impact'. While the .50 will remove large chuncks of the body, it is rare that limbs are seperated, unless muli-hits in the same body area. I reasently saw a picture (SOF ?, somewhere) of an Iraqi that took a Head Shot from a .50 cal rifle. The head was still attached, of course the back of his skull was missing! The body 'masses' were just to large in the video.
 
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Old Grunt    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING)   6/23/2005 10:17:14 AM
Based on the source from which I received the video I didn't put much thought into it's authenticity. What was immediately apparent when I viewed it was that it was definitely not a .50 cal weapon (I've spent some time on the original .50 sniper system). Again based on the source I thought that this may have been footage from one of the 25mm AMR's that we pushed out to SOCOM for field testing. I even sent the video to a couple of folks with that as the header line. One of them, a varmint hunter, sent me the following link. Source: link Another example of "Trust but verify".
 
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dgm    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper Video from Afghanistan (WARNING Graphic and Disturbing)   7/13/2005 11:12:52 AM
I received this indirectly through military channels from From: Maas Stuart W GS13 USSTRATCOM/J85 [mailto:MAASS@stratcom.mil]. Check with him for authenticity.
 
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edut    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING)   7/15/2005 3:10:18 PM
It looks like a combat terrain,but then must hunting landscape does also... But i still haven't seen much photos, of modern war scapes...
 
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Locust    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING, shut up.)   11/22/2005 11:54:28 AM
those are rather large varments. from such range the varments resemble large game, rather. did you notice the "arm" fliying in the clip where all you see is a head poking out? that's what happens when a round from a .50 cal hits someone in the upper right region of their body. their head and shoulder will fly off......this is a video proving just how badass the .50 cal is and why AL Queda pray so much. they need whatever help they can get to face something as crucial as the US Marine Corp
 
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Yimmy    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING, shut up.)   11/22/2005 1:09:18 PM
"that's what happens when a round from a .50 cal hits someone in the upper right region of their body. their head and shoulder will fly off" Why? A FMJ bullet of the .50 would simply puncture the lung, and exit, with only a fraction of its energy being deposited into the target, unless it caught a rib.
 
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Old Grunt    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING, shut up.)   11/22/2005 2:09:18 PM
Why is it that you guys that are infatuated with the USMC rarely seem to understand the reality of combat or the effects of weapons? .50 does not tear off body parts. It makes relatively large holes, but it doesn't cause the human body to explode. I've seen .50 rounds impact humans at various ranges from various weapon types and none exhibit the effects depicted in movies, on TV, in the war stories told by your buddies, or on this video. I've seen .50 rounds that impacted fragile parts of the body such as the wrist, elbow, or knee. It leaves a ragged, jagged hole on its way out, but I'm yet to see the limb detach. I've seen a .50 round impact on a bad guys head, split it like a melon but didn't take off the head, or even the scalp for that matter. Let's just say for the sake of argument that they are using some sort of highly explosive wonder round, how do you explain the "sniper" video being identical to the advertising video for a varmint hunting club that was shot at least a year before the "sniper" video? Is the varmint club in Afghanistan, or are our snipers shooting the Taliban in there homeland of Arizona?
 
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starsandstripes    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING, shut up.)   11/27/2005 7:14:56 AM
I am active duty with the signal corps, ex-infantry, we film this stuff all the time downrange with the sf and rangers. That probably is a human body. I have seen a 7.62 tear a body apart, a 5.56 blow a head and shoulder too goo and a single .50 cal sniper rifle blow people into pinata' fuzz. That sniper rifle literally blows people away. It can just go through you with an exit hole, depending on location, though unlikely too. We interviewed a few snipers in Afghan and Fallujah and they love when they literally cut people in half from a mile away.
 
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Yimmy    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING, shut up.)   11/27/2005 11:59:58 AM
Sounds like their unbalanced to me.
 
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Old Grunt    Simple Question   11/28/2005 9:12:04 AM
OK, all weapon's effects aside, can you explain the disturbing simularity (read identical terrain and target positioning) between the varmint hunt advertising video filmed in Arizona in 2000, and the "sniper video" supposedly filmed "recently" in Afghanistan?
 
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KKB    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING)   2/19/2006 11:30:37 PM
It's a prairie dog video. You can see for yourself at www.rmvh.com/Scenes.htm
 
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KKB    RE:.50 Calibare Sniper NOT! (WARNING)   2/19/2006 11:31:01 PM
It's a prairie dog video. You can see for yourself at www.rmvh.com/Scenes.htm
 
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