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Subject: Turks and Armenians: Kane
Godofgamblers    8/3/2006 4:28:41 AM
This thread concerns the question of whether the Genocide of Armenians took place in the Ottoman Empire after WWI.

The idea for this thread came from a discussion i had with Kane on the ARMED FORCES OF THE WORLD board.

Please be advised that :

(1) I have no personal stake in this argument as I am neither Turkish nor Armenian.

(2) I have no negative feelings toward Turkey.

(3) My own country is guilty of acts of genocide and outright genocide that make the Armenian situation pale in comparison. Thus, I am taking no position of superiority over Turks or Turkey.

Since I know little about Turkish history, I would like to conduct the discussion via a series of questions, which I will ask Kane. Others are free to chime in, of course, as they wish.

Let's start!

 
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Jeff_F_F    Both are guilty   1/4/2008 9:20:06 AM
By the UN definition of the term Genocide it sounds to me that both Turks and Armenians are guilty of Genocide, and maybe the French as well.
 
Turk and Kurd Genocide agaisnt Armenians
 
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If the French participated in the Armenian genocide against the Turks they are guilty as well.
 
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Jeff_F_F    Both are guilty   1/4/2008 9:35:42 AM

Ad Q5: This is a misleading and clearly tendential question, because it intentionally mixes the activity around the former nationalist government's deportation directives (which is usually meant when referring to the genocide question) with the civil war events events before 1915.  

Then why are the events before 1915 part of the debate that is raised by supporters of the event being labeled an act of Genocide? If it is fair for those arguing in favor of Turkish actions being called genocide to bring up the fighting before, it is fair for those arguing against it to bring up that fighting in thair arguements against it.
 
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Jeff_F_F    Both are guilty   1/4/2008 10:09:23 AM

Ad Q6: I can objectively compare whatever I want to whatever (in a honest way). Maybe sometimes a comparsion with other things helps to clarify things and to detect, which aspects are similar and which are not.
 

You can objectively compare whatever you want. We can also judge whether your comparison was objective based on the degree of similarity and difference you perceive in the items compared. I would say comparing the Armeniand Genocide to the Holocaust would be completely valid if the Jews had wiped out 2 million Germans shortly before the Germans killed 6 million Jews. Since this did not happen, there is a high degree of difference between the scenarios which makes me wonder if the comparison between the scenarios is indeed an objective one or is motivated by the political desire to transfer the horror and revulsion attached to the Holocaust to the Armenian Genocide.
 
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