New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey

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FJV RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey 2/23/2006 1:03:23 PM

Should do well in Cannes.

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Schackleford RE:asdaadad 2/23/2006 2:49:03 PM

"you can not prove that US soldiers did not kill civilians and i can not prove you that they did." Actually, the Iraqi Body Count has done a count of the amount of civilians killed in the liberation of Iraq so far. With some adjustment for statistical inaccuracies, we find out that short of 30,000 civilians have died since the beginning, whereas Coalition forces are believed to be responsible for about 700, if my memory serves me correctly. "they surely did by mistake or maybe because they were scared(psychological) But if i was an iraqi i wouldn't like to die because of scared soldeirs." Frankly, I just don't see all that much evidence that the coalition soldiers in Iraq is under that much stress. Sure, getting shot at and bombed is never fun, but we clearly have the upper hand here. Coalition troops are professional volunteers. They know what they are doing and why they are doing it.

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kane RE:asdaadad 2/23/2006 3:09:24 PM

why???

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kane RE:iraq 2/24/2006 1:50:19 PM

why did they go there?? why are they still there??? it's too late to say why they are still there because there'll be a civil war.Now US is needed there,they had to leave there before these but they didn't

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Exile RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey to Clausewitzzzz 2/28/2006 10:13:09 AM

Hi this is my first post. I tried to read most of the posts that re written about Turkiye (not Turkey) and i think i had learn about the general thoghts of some certain members like "Clausewitz" Clausewitz my friend if i m not mistaken ,you are a german who dont like all the Turks who live in Germany as immigrants. First of all you shouldn't take all Turkish people who live in Turkey in the same scale with the ones who live in Germany. After WW II as you know better than me Germany had lost most of working youth class. Eventhough Germany had high industirial factories and has advanced engineering skills, the lack of manpower was the real problem. At the same time Turkiye was a new developing country. Adopting western type structures in both govermntal and industrial sections. this was the situation that ,in Turkey lots of people were workless. By the high population increase levels in a country evolving from agricultural society to industrial society only way to survive was immigration to a country like Germany that has the lack of cheap manpower. lots of uneducated people and masses with no skills in anything immigrated to Germany ,France even to Austurila At that countires these people met with highly civilized western society. And from my view the immigrants filled by fear of losing all the things about their raw nature and beliefs they created a secondry culture neither Turkish nor German. Ý cant call it a culture at all. think about a people who never listen any western style classical music meeting with the homeland of Bach,Handel or Beethoven think about a people maybe not knowing to write or read ,walking in the streets that Goethe,Schiller walked in the past think about a people who dont see any mechanics in their life time, working in mass serial factory. These people made their own way. u dont have to love them. although i am a Turk i cant understand most of them when they came to Turkey at summers. i see the same ignorance and low IQ on their mongoloid faces.Some of them are very clever and succesful and adopted to life in Germany but this is very rare But as i said before ,not put in the same scale the other Turks.if anyone cried after that stupid film its just the lack art knowledge. besides that movie was the expensive film Turkish moviemakers ever made. its the first action film after a long term Tv soup opera. I watched it but didnt like.its about the the tortures that had been in Abu -Gharip prison and the film itself had an intention to give this message."hey world dirty things happening here" so dont be serios about what "der spiegel" says

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Shirrush RE:Anti western hate in Turkey 2/28/2006 5:14:35 PM

Clausewitz, this movie is only one of the many worrysome symptoms that Turkey has chosen it's camp for the coming IVth World War, and it ain't ours. Exile's last post on this board, and the absolutely paranoid flame thread he just defecated on the Israel board, PLUS the brisk sales of the Protocols and of Mein Kampf in the Turkish language, are more indications that we might have a huge problem there. Rest assured that I will, therefore, make good use of my Euro voting rights to vote "No" just like you, when the question of Turkey's accession comes up in a referendum.

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Pars RE:Shirrush 2/28/2006 6:18:09 PM

You are taking wrong messages from wrong syptoms. In Turkey "Mein-Kampf" sold high because of Turkish fear of Neo-Nazism in Europe. As this neo-nasizm mostly target Turkish immigrants. This movie was a success, because Amercan soldiers insulted Turkish soldiers by arresting them. Turkish people are too sensitive to let it pass easily. And like all countries, Turks first loyalty to Turkey. We will not choose camp to the ones who are not our enemies. And Islamic radicals are our enemy. Turkey still have troops at Afghanistan and had it from the first day UN troops have been there.On the other hand we offered our troops although. Iraq was not our enemy. But USA has refused mostly because of the confusion that US diplomats themselves has caused. Politics are much complicated than this. We are still allies of USA and Israel, although these countries did not protect our interests at Iraq.

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Shirrush RE: Pars 2/28/2006 6:35:34 PM

Trust me, I WANT to believe you on this one. I am still waiting, however, for your analysis of how your country will, or should, react to it's neighbor Iran suddenly waving a nuclear weapon in it's face. My thread on this important and pressing matter is getting old and lonely, would you please go there and share your wisdom with us on this matter? link

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Pars RE: Pars 3/1/2006 7:15:14 AM

I did write a reply to that post recently.

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Clausewitz RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey - to Exile 3/3/2006 9:46:36 AM

Well, nice post. I don't want to exaggerate the question why we got cheering crowds in a movie like "valley of wolves". I know that Turkey is a civilized nation based on - mostly destroyed - preislamic ancient cultures (Hethits, Greeks, Phoenizians, ...). And Turks were always very patriotic, what always leads to some kind of nationalism. But nowadays - in my view - many turks - at least here in Germany - are going the islamic path. There seems to be the creation of a new identiy. My countrys hope for a successful integration is fading away. So more and more people - including me - are sceptical and are turning against a turkish EU-membership. I guees it has something to do with defence of your own identity.Most europeans dislike a multicultural society; they want to live in their own old fashioned countries living their own old fashioned life style. And it is their right to do so. Strangers are welcome as long as they try to become native. But not if they exclude themselves from society like they do. The expierience with the cheering crowds will strenghten that european attitude. It is more a new anti muslim feeling maybe after the homocide to Van Gogh (?) in the Netherlands, the AQ-attacks in New York/Madrid/London, the burning streets in France, the burning embassies worldwide and now the cheering crowds to "valley of wolves". I do not want to offend anyone. If such things would happen in Turkey (christian uprings and terrorist attacks) there would be not only opposition but a violent outrage. Just imagine how europenas are feeling in the moment.

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