New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey

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Pars RE:Clausewitz 2/21/2006 2:33:56 PM

If you are not against the movie, what are you against. Are you against the people who cheered the movie they liked? So, now should we against the movies who has American soldiers as bad guys? A movie is a movie. If a movie wants to show Santa Claus as a bad guy, they can do it. If one wants to cheer a bad or false movie. So what? I simply do not get your point.

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kane RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey 2/21/2006 2:37:10 PM

Kurds are our people.Ethnics may have problems it is not easy to protect peace when west tryies to shatter the union as they did to armenians. Do you want us to give them lands?never do they want to go to north iraq? -fine with me,they are very dangeorus for every ethnic in Turkey they are mostly uneducated,they have at least 5 children,some causes terror and unrest. they kill every turkish soldier when they have the chance am i blaming Kurds??? no it's west's fault how can we find M-16s and M-4s on those terrorists.Who gives them?

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Scratchie RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey - to Clausewitz 2/21/2006 5:18:02 PM

Clausewitz, I don't know what you are trying to do here. We know how to live with the Kurds, but they don't. That's why they want to live on their own. We are not the ones who are trying to kick them out of the country, they are. I mean, come on, have you ever been to Eastern Turkey or Have you EVER been to TURKEY? Do you have any single idea what's going on there? "Ohh I know Turkish people here in my country" won't make you a "Turk-Kurd" issue expert. I am sure you would be willing to give the Kurd's a piece of your country's land when they asked for it without any questions. Would you not? If you care about minorities (like Armenians in Turkiye) so much, why don't you go to Germany's, UK's message boards and throw up your anger for the Jews and other minorities they massacred.

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Clausewitz RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey - to kane and Sratchie 2/22/2006 3:52:57 AM

Well, the kurds and the armenians are traditional/ancient peoples living on their tradional soil (they are no migrants on foreign soil). You do not have to give them land. They own it already. So the question is not to give land but to give them independance. This question arises in many multi ethnic countries. And not always independance is the right answer. Not as long as the ethnic groups can govern themselves in all culteral/religous questions (speaking their language, living and teaching their traditions). But if they are opressed by a majority or a dictator independance is the solution. That's not a way how to deal with migrants I may add. They came with their free choice where to live and have to accept the culture in their land of choice or will have to go home. European countries accept historic guilt. Especially the Germans in case of the holocaust. Accepting crimes of your nation is a way to forgiveness and peace. Turkish migrants are now planing a "march to Berlin" to honor Talat Pascha, one of the main organizers of the armenian genocide, who was slained in Berlin by a survivor of the armenian genocide in 1921 (3/18 ?). The demonstration is oranized by a man called Perincek who - indirectly - threatened the kurds with another genocide. Many of migrant turks in Germany are kurds really and dislike Turkey. I learned that in countless discussions. They felt offended when I called them turks and asked me to apologize. And in the modern media world with its many culteral rifts the kurds are in a stronger position than ever. Turkish nationalism will loose in the end because nobody accepts genocíde nowadays (thank god !). So you have to arrange with kurds and armenians. Give them independance ore selfgovernment. Youre county would loose if it continues to opress them any longer.

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kane RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey - 2/22/2006 8:11:56 AM

They're independent aren't they?? they can be chosen to high places in government....... like Turgut Ozal, They are able to speak their own language,there are even teachers but they don't have students lol.No one cares about them When kurds unite they do everything to make chaos.They revolt they attack polices but polices can not do anything. Last time Europeans wanted us to give them rights Ottoman Empire fell.. +Ethnics were already active in society in Ottomans.They were high ranking and educated people because Turks were generally working as farmers and(the physical stuff) As i said before Kurds are our people.They are Kurdish Turks.They vote,they pay taxes,they get drafted just like others. But some cause chaos(PKK the terrorist organisation killed thousands of Turks and others) they reproduce so much which makes harder to find jobs.They live a poor life with many worker children.What do the children do when they have no chance::Let's go to the mountains and join PKK ,ambush soldiers attack civilians make chaos,pull europe to your side by lies

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Schackleford RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey 2/22/2006 11:02:09 AM

"t shows how things go in Iraq.Everyday at least 20 people dies in there and we can't say that american soldiers are good to iraqi people." The movie has nothing to do with what takes place in Iraq. Sure, innocent civilians are being killed in Iraq. BY THE TERRORISTS!!! and we can easily say that the the US-led Coalition does the best to prevent this. And we can easily say that the US-led Coalition trains Iraq's police forces and army to combat this. And we can easily say that the US-led coalition oversees free and fair elections. And we can easily say that the US-led coalition spends fortunes on building schools, hospitals, roads etc. for the Iraqis. "Even the peacefull iraqis do not want american becasue they cause terror and hatred." If the "peaceful" Iraqis doesn't want the Coalition present, why does Iraq's DEMOCRATIC parlament vote in favor of coalition presence? The Coalition is in Iraq at the request of the Iraqi government, and by extension, the Iraqi people. "this was about honor of arrested Turksih soldiers.Turks are very angry at americans because of this event happened 2003.Americans treated Turkish soldier like they were terrorist+they knew they were Turkish soldiers." What events in 2003? Kane, you do know that this is a piece of fiction, right? "haven't you ever watched an american movie that one guy kills all the muslims." No. "i watched too many infamaous and unrealistic movies like this." Name a couple. In general, while Muslim terrorists might be stereotypical villains in some Western action movies, I can not ever imagine an Western movie director getting away with such despicable rascism. Or actually receiving praise from anyone... "+this is a new film for Turkish cinema because we don't spend to much money to movies but this one did.Turkish cinema is coming to a good position and i'm very proud of it." Roughly the same as a Russian being proud of "Protocols of the Elders of Zion". This movie is a rascist piece of propaganda. A set of lies designed to promote hatred and intolerance.

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Schackleford RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey 2/22/2006 11:10:07 AM

"a possible scenerio: USA:Turks are not givig rights to the ethnics.They are killing Kurds......... a warning USA:our planes are ready Turkey should give rights the real thing is-the rich energy source in Turkey (this was a stupid example but why can't it happen)" Yes, it is a stupid example. It can't happen because the foreing policy of the USA is not dictated by economic interests. It is a ridiculous left wing fantasy, easily proven wrong by facts. "we should be in good relations with west and east,choosing a side will damage us a lot." You want Turkey to have a good relationship with police states and repressive monarchies like Syria, Iran or Saudi Arabia? Geez... "i think movie has truth in it.These are known bad things about americans,there should be more we don't know of course there are good things too" Of course the Americans have done both good and bad troughout history. They are only human. But one must look at whether the good things outweigh the bad things. And in the case of the foreign policy of the United States of America, say 1917 to present, the USA has consistently been a force for good in the world, fighting totalitarianism and oppresion world-wide. Sure, bad things has happened. But they have been rare and atypical. The world today is a lot better of thanks to the USA.

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kane RE:asdaadad 2/22/2006 11:22:17 AM

turkish soldiers were captured by amercans it is a real event not a science fiction.But the things in the movie is about after this event-that part is science fiction. you can not prove that US soldiers did not kill civilians and i can not prove you that they did. they surely did by mistake or maybe because they were scared(psychological) But if i was an iraqi i wouldn't like to die because of scared soldeirs.

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Pars RE:New anti western hate movie a success in Turkey - to kane and Sratchie 2/22/2006 5:30:16 PM

Come on, Perincek is a joke in Turkey. He is a leader of a Communist party who can not even get 1/10000 of the votes.

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Pars The only thing that is not fiction in the movie. 2/22/2006 5:58:41 PM

This part of the movie is not a fiction. At 2003, there was a Turkish military intelligence team (11 soldiers) at North Iraq who was getting information about PKK activations there. They were working closely with American soldiers there exchanging information. Americans did know who they were. In fact US soldiers regularly visited them. At 2003, US soldiers did encircle them as if they were enemy. They did pull their weapons, and point it to them as is they were enemy. Turkish officer did ask to his superiors permission to resist. That permission did denied. Turkish soldiers did give their weapons. Americans did put bags to their heads as if they were terrorists. For a Turkish soldier surrendering is much worse than dead. And you do not know how close thing it was. In a splint second a shoot-up could have occurred and a great damge to USA-Turkish relations could have happened. In our culture our soldiers are sacred to us. When American soldiers put bags to the heads of our soldiers, they treated them as terrorists. They treated their own allies as enemy, as terrorists. That was a pure provocation to damage USA-Turkey relations as whoever planned it, he well knew that Turks are too proud to forget that insult to their soldiers. And the American colonel who was the responsibke of this never offically punished by US army. That is why that movie was success. That incident was a huge strike to Turkish pride. And at least in a fictonal world of a movie he got a punishment for what he did. That movie was not about anti-Americanism. If this incident have happened 60 years ago, these soldiers were ordered to die for their honor. All the relations with USA would have been severed until all the responsibiles were punished. Now we have weak governments. And people are just angry to them because they did absolutely nothing. After 2 years, newspapers are still writing about the incident.

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