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career909 Titan 6/23/2005 10:09:30 AM

what radicals? Their is no more radicals then any other european country. Every country has its nationalist and religious people. Unlike europe most of them in turkey are profit driven. Look at the prime minister. He came to office to change turkey to iran. Now he likes the money and power he is a religious moderate. I think what you want is no religious or nationlist in turkey. I got a news for you my friend, aint going to happen. Unlike europe no fanatic took power in turkey. Look at europes history. From roman empire, to now most of the europe is under one radical leader to another. Last oen was yugoslavia leader. HOw many people did he kill? How many people franco kill? how many people did nazis kill? How many people did austiran empire kill? How many people did spain kill in name of god in south america? Between stalin, hitler, mussilini and franco last century they pretty much wiped our most of the jews, gysps, and rest of the ethic people. Dont talk about radical all you have to do is look back about 30 some years and see what happen. Its like pot calling the cattle black. Europe always been radical. If US cant come and rescue europe every 50 years it will be a another useless place.

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Clausewitz RE:Clausewitz and Hugo - to WeAreCured 6/23/2005 10:22:27 AM

Now I am a officer in the german ministry of finance in Berlin. I am specialized in public law. Many years ago I worked as a lawyer in Hamburg without any specialistion because I needed all the money I could get to survive (just took any client who trust me as a beginner). I am devoted to my wife, my kids and the rest of my family, to my country, my conservative agenda and to modern military history (and everthing with connections to the military). Well, war is not cool but serious. One of the most serious aspects of mankind I can imagine. I am not devoted to my work. I do it for the pay.

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Clausewitz RE:Clausewitz and Hugo - to WeAreCured 6/23/2005 10:28:57 AM

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career909 RE:Clausewitz and Hugo 12/1/2005 10:49:33 AM

Santa boy. I dont know what stone you came out of make sure you go back in it. Oh, last time i look been a nazi still a crime in christian europe and germany still americas pawn. I dont think i have ever seen radical turk yet or even heard of unlike most of the Eu countries. Whats is a clausewitz? Is it like santa or christmas? Last thing i dont think turkey should be in Eu. I have to agree with 100 percent. I disagreed joining eu or been any part of it. Who wants to be join second best group while their US. Seriuosly man look at turkey. Its american ally from day one. It has bases their, supply most of the military equiment. American schools and hospitals are their. Most of the loans are from US. Why the hell we are trying to join second rate loosely held union? I will oppose turkeys accention to Eu with everything. We do not belong in EU and Eu does not belong with turkey. Eu has nothing to offer to Turkey. Maybe few perfumes. We dont need anthing from eu. We produce our own vehicle, food, energy, water, military equitment. What Eu sells us anyways? Oh i know few soccer players and bunch of human rights quackers. Oil is giving by arabs. Natural gas by russia. We use American made planes and israel upgrades the rest. American satelite and space technology. Have two nato bases which is 95 percent american. Oh well it takes too long for me to argue. Your right clause we dont belong in eu. thanks

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WeAreCured RE:Clausewitz and Hugo 12/1/2005 8:26:39 PM

Clausypoo: "And even if there would have been Nazis in my family that would have nothing to do with me. Here I guess you show your turkish descent. No person educated in a european/christian culture would give a dam oabout it because it all depends on the person itselt. This attitude may not found in muslim societies. Another reason why Turkey will not be welcomed in the EU. People like you are another reason. " For the last time, I'm an American born and raised. And if you think for one second that I'm the only American who feels that way about Germans, you are kidding yourself. We're only 2 generations away from the rise of the Nazi party and their atrocities. And you guys didn't recognize your faults until recently either, so don't go whistle blowing Turkey. By the way, I'm a lawyer and I graduated Magna Cum Laude, so don't pull that education BS on me, and I'm not even close to a radical, I have no idea where you got that. And showing this to your friends isn't gonna do anything because I'm not a Turk, I'm an American of Turkish heritage. Personally, I don't know why you are making such a huge deal out of this, all I said is that you're a know it all and you should go finger your butthole, which is a joke by the way, not a threat. Chill out and stop taking yourself so seriously, life's a lot more fun that way.

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Titan RE:Career 909 12/1/2005 8:35:23 PM

"I dont think i have ever seen radical turk yet or even heard of unlike most of the Eu countries". Turkey is full of radicals. Not only the grey wolves but there are quite a lot of blind ultra-nationalists and religious fanatics who both don't believe in human rights, freedom of religion, freedom of speech and such.

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Clausewitz RE:Clausewitz and Hugo - to WeAreCured 12/2/2005 5:23:56 AM

Hi WeAreCured, your posts don't give me the feeling that you are a lawyer. There is not a tiny little sign of deductive thinking. Just little insults and statements (or allegations; as a lawyer you should know what that means). The law school I attended (University of Hamburg) taught us a logical and deductive style to argue with. And they taught us not to let loose our bias. You got to learn to bear with any other view, just stay cool and accept your opponent and argue. I do not find this basic behavior (not only for a lawyer) in your posts. For example it is real fun to discuss with Pars - even when we do not share the same view of matters dicsussed on this board. When your level demostrates the standard of US-lawyers - what I do not believe - it would sad for America.

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WeAreCured RE:Clausewitz and Hugo - to WeAreCured 12/2/2005 5:52:05 AM

Jesus Christ man, stop taking everything so seriously. There was never even an argument. To what would I apply my deductive reasoning or rules of logic. I was just messed up one night and due to your posts where you never give in and always think you're right, I made a joke and said you should finger Hugo's butthole. Relax man, not everyone sees things in a courtroom atmosphere. Besides, I'm only 24, and I may be a lwayer, I'm just not ready to take everything as seriously as you do. RELAX and stop judging everything based on some silly posts on a message board devoted to killing people. War is not cool, me taking jabs at you for being German is not cool, and me saying you should finger Hugo's butthole is not cool. However, I was just joking. Stop taking everything so seriously and trying to find things to argue about. Also, for once, just agree with someone. I think your inability to agree with people has everything to do with your argumentative nature, not whether or not you truly believe in the opposite of what is being argued. Sort of arguing for the sake of arguing, and as a graduat of Hamburg Law School you should know that that logic is flawed. On an unrelated note, what sort of law do you practice? Just curious. I myself am devoting myself to environmental law. I graduated from law school last May and have been working with an environmental firm the past few months. I sort of always wanted to practice environmental, it was the main reason I decided to got the law school route, so I enjoy it. Truce.

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Clausewitz RE:Clausewitz and Hugo - to WeAreCured 12/2/2005 11:01:49 AM

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WeAreCured RE:Clausewitz and Hugo - to WeAreCured 12/2/2005 4:35:12 PM

At least you've got your priorities straight. No one should ever put their work in front of family. I hope your interests in modern military history are more in the direction of prevention and not application. Take care.

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