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Subject: Turks Adopt Rejected U.S. Army Rifle
James Dunnigan    11/13/2008 11:26:49 PM

Turkey has selected a new assault rifle, choosing one that the U.S. Army rejected, but that the U.S. Army Special Forces (and the rest of SOCOM) have adopted. The new rifle is a slightly modified version of the HK 416. This weapon is basically the U.S. M4 assault rifle, with some of the components from the U.S. Army XM8 assault rifle (also rejected by the army). The new Turkish rifle will be called the Mehmetçik-1. It's manufactured with the cooperation of the German firm Heckler & Koch (HK).


Back in 2005, the U.S. Army's design for a new assault rifle, the XM8, was cancelled. But the manufacturer incorporated one of the key components of the XM8, into M4 rifles, and produced a hybrid, the HK 416. Heckler & Koch (H&K) designed the XM8, which was based on an earlier HK rifle, the G36. SOCOM is using the 416, but no one else is (except for a few police departments, and now Turkey).


The XM8 had one major advantage over the M16. The XM8 (like the G36 and 416) uses a short-stroke piston system. The M16s uses gas-tube system, which results in carbon being blown back into the chamber. That leads to carbon build up, which results in jams (rounds getting stuck in the chamber, and the weapon unable to fire.). The short-stroke system also does not expose parts of the rifle to extremely hot gases (which wears out components more quickly). As a result, rifles using the short-stroke system, rather than the gas-tube, are more reliable, easier to maintain and last longer.


HK developed the 416, for SOCOM, at the same time the XM8 was being evaluated by the army. SOCOM got the first 416s in 2004, a year before the army cancelled the XM8. The 416 looks like the M4, for the only thing that has changed is the gas system (that automatically extracts the cartridge after the bullet has been fired, and loads the next round.) SOCOM can buy pretty much whatever they want, the U.S. Army cannot. SOCOM listens to what its troops want, the army often doesn't.


The Turks tested 9,000 of the Mehmetçik-1's (built by local firm MKE) first, and the troops liked the weapon. Production is being increased, and the transition will begin next year. The Mehmetçik-1 is your basic 8 pound, 5.56mm weapon, with mounting rails for scopes, a hand grip forward of the magazine and using 30 round magazines.

 
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gf0012-aust       11/14/2008 7:16:44 AM

SOCOM is using the 416, but no one else is (except for a few police departments, and now Turkey).


Australian SASR are using 416's
 
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G-MAN       11/15/2008 7:50:47 PM

James Dunnigan    11/13/2008 11:26:49 PM
 

Back in 2005, the U.S. Army's design for a new assault rifle, the XM8, was cancelled. But the manufacturer incorporated one of the key components of the XM8, into M4 rifles, and produced a hybrid, the HK 416. Heckler & Koch (H&K) designed the XM8, which was based on an earlier HK rifle, the G36. SOCOM is using the 416, but no one else is (except for a few police departments, and now Turkey).


You havent done your research have you...
 
 Users of the HK 416
  •  Indonesia: Detasemen Jala Mengkara (Denjaka) is equipped with the HK416.
  •  Netherlands: The Netherlands Army special forces unit Korps Commandotroepen selected the HK416 over other tested assault rifles to replace their Diemaco C8 carbines. The weapon is featured on several photos from the unit's recruitment day. The HK416 is currently (2008) the standard assault rifle of the unit.
  •  Norway: On April 11 2007, the Norwegian Ministry of Defence signed a contract for an initial order of 8,200 rifles to serve as the new standard service rifle for the armed forces. The HK416 will replace the AG-3 that has been in use since 1967. The new rifle is slightly modified, with a different stock and pistol grip. The deal also included the purchase of 6,500 MP7 submachine guns. Delivery began in March 2008. The first weapons are scheduled to reach soldiers by the end of 2008. Officers have already become familiar with the weapon and will soon be ready to instruct their soldiers. Groups that recruit people to INTOPS (International Operations) will receive priority, that includes the Norwegian Army 2nd Battalion, Telemark Battalion, Combat Service Support Battalion and the Norwegian Army Armoured Battalion. The 2nd Battalion and Combat Service Support Battalion has already received the rifle.
  •  Poland: Adopted in small numbers as the primary weapon of GROM. Purchased both D10RS and D14.5RS variants that will replace current M4A1 clones made by Bushmaster and Knight's Armament Company.
  •  Turkey: Turkish Army has tested HK416 and reportedly decided to adopt it as a replacement for the currently issued G3 rifle. It is yet unknown whether the weapons will be produced by HK in Germany or locally by a national manufacturer. It is known locally as the Mehmetçik-1.
  •  United States: It is used by the U.S. Army's direct action group Delta Force (1st Special Forces Operational Detachment-Delta),various other United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) units including DEVGRU, and formerly, the US Army's Asymmetric Warfare Group. The latter has since had to turn in their HK416's. It is also in use with various elite law enforcement units, including United States Capitol Police SWAT.
 
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