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Subject: Shocking Results of Iraqi Public Opinion Poll
James Dunnigan    3/19/2004 7:32:16 AM

A large scale opinion survey in Iraq, sponsored by several foreign media networks, found that 70 percent of Iraqis thought they were doing well, and 56 percent believed life was better than before the war. Some 70 percent were optimistic about the future.

Iraqis are glad to see Saddam gone, but upset that foreigners had to do it. Thus 49 percent thought the coalition invasion was justified, while 39 percent think it was wrong. While 41.8 percent said the war liberated Iraq, 41.2 percent said Iraq was humiliated. Only 39 percent wanted foreign troops to remain in the country. As for the attacks on foreign troops, 17 percent approved (21 percent of Iraqi Arabs approved of this, but only two percent of Iraqi Kurds.) Overall, 78 percent said the attacks on coalition troops were unacceptable, although that went up to 96.6 percent for attacks on Iraqi police. Understandably, lack of law and order is seen as the most pressing need (22.1 percent of respondents), followed by unemployment (11.8 percent), inflation (9.5 percent), electricity shortages (4.2 percent), housing problems (4.1 percent) and the quality of infrastructure (water supply, road repair and so on, 3.7 percent). The events that make headlines outside of Iraq mean little to the average Iraqi, as only 1.8 percent thought terrorist attacks were the most important issue in their lives, and only .2 percent were concerned about religious and ethnic strife inside Iraq.

Only 20 percent of Iraqis wanted an Islamic state, and 75 percent wanted a strong, unified state, without special privileges for Kurds or anyone else. Religious leaders are trusted the most (by 42.4 percent), and coalition forces the least (4.3 percent). Iraqis now want democratically elected leaders (55.3 percent), but even more they want a strong leader. Saddam Hussein is still respected for his "power" by many Iraqis. While 15.1 percent of Iraqis want coalition forces to leave immediately, 53.3 percent want them to stay until a functioning Iraqi government is in place, or peace is restored to the country.

The survey was conducted by Iraqis, who were hired and trained by the polling organization, Oxford Research International. One thing the survey makes very clear is that most foreign media reporting on Iraq are reporting what they want to see the Iraqi people thinking, not what the Iraqis are actually thinking. This, however, is not unique to Iraq, although European and Arab media tend to be even more distorted in their reporting than is usually the case.

 
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swhitebull    RE:What happened? Is there a full moon out tonight?   3/28/2004 2:13:49 PM
..The decision to use "all necessary means" in order to enforce old resolutions is left to the Security Council?not to individual states. Thus, the United States, the United Kingdom, Poland, and Australia broke international law by violating point Article 2(4) of the U.N. Charter, which prohibits any nation from using force against another ... Wrong- the governing article, as you state so eloquently, is the exception under Article 7 binding resolutions: ...The charter allows for only two exceptions to this rule: when force is required in self-defense (Article 51) or when the Security Council authorizes the use of force to protect international peace and security (Chapter VII)... And you belive that Iraq was not a threat over it's 13 year period to be a threat to peace and international security. You must be living in a bomb-shelter, or have your head in the ground. It's threat to international peace and security has been laid out in so many ways, Im not going to do it again. But just look at the Iraqi board here, or do a google search, and the history of it's violations (if nothing more, its repeated breaking of the terms of the 1991 armistice agreement is sufficient to put it in mon-compliance, coming from a long line of violations) on these boards as well. See? Thank you for agreeing so easily with me, by backing up my piece on UN Binding resolutions. It makes my job easier to lay out the specific authorities involved. Please follow along with the bouncing resolutions: Aside from the fact that Article 7 Binding resolutions DO allow the authorization of military force to enforce compliance, and all resolutions subsequent AND Prior to the passing of Resolution 678 are still in force, authority to act for NON-COMPLIANCE up to and including the use of force is COVERED precisely by Resolution 678 - NO NEW RESOLUTIONS NEEDED TO BE PASSED to enforce Iraqi compliance- it is LEGAL AND BINDING upon the Iraqis, and thus Article 7 Binding Resolution 678 passed November 1990, and referred repeatedly in EVERY Subsequent article Binding resolutions regarding Iraq, is still in effect. Just because the resolution is 12 years old does NOT negate its power or its legally binding authority, no matter how much those who wish it would go away or to ignore its powers. Resolution 678 is still the governing authority authorizing any means possible to enforce UN BINDING Resolutions; Iraq has continually violated the terms of the armistice agreement, which was NEVER a cessation of the Gulf War 1; The burden of proof was on Iraq to prove Compliance of disarmament; Iraq provided NO documentary evidence that it had complied with all the UN Resolutions; THere was STILL a state of war resulting from the implementation of Resolution 678,and no peavce treaty had been signed ending hostilities; The KEY Document: link Read backwards of all the resolutions. Note the repeated use of the term Article 7 Binding Resolutions, and then settle in on resolution 678. The US, the United Kingdom et al had the power of resolution 678 and all previous and prior resolution to enforce compliance War was therefore TOTALLY and WHOLLY legal, as the US and the UK were acting to enforce legally binding Article 7 resolutions STILL IN EFFECT. swhitebull - Quod est demonstratum - anything still unclear about this?
 
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swhitebull    RE:What happened? Is there a full moon out tonight?   3/28/2004 3:58:10 PM
AINT GET NO RESPECT ON THESE BOARDS HISSY-FITTED: ...Swhitebull, if you are too ignorant to follow the link link I provided I have to copy the text here: ... First you blow a gasket for being called to task when claiming that the teaching of the Holocausrt is a waste of time. NO room for misinterpretation on your words. Then you have a major hissy fit since you claimed I was too ignorant to read your link. I Read YOUR link, I just disasgree with its conclusions, and is open to interpretation, Nothing conclusive about it at all, just an opinion. So what's the matter? DOn't you like it when you are refuted? I think your sauerkraut might have gone bad or something, since I DARED to refute your so carefully thought out recitations, with MY interpretation from MY sources. I just prefer MY interpretation, as does the United States and the United Kingdom, which, bottom line, are the only ones that matter, and NOT the pacific Eurotrash that would let Serbians slaughter Muslims in Bosnia, until another US president had the balls to act WITHOUT EVEN A UN RESOLUTION ot back them up, AND SHAME NATO into action. anymore. Was THAT action wrong? Or is your "outrage and morality" only selective? SInce your indignation is really all about the United State's application of its power, isnt it. And you just cant stand it that Germany is no longer "relevant". SO where was the imminent threat to NATO in BOsnia? They werent attacked, just saving a couple of million Muslims from slaughter, that's all. So dont spout off to ME your sacred Eurotrash morality and illegalities- it's gets tiresome after the first 100 or so times you idiots spout selective morality over here in the States where OLD EUROPE really doesnt count for Scheist. swhitebull - so why not tell us how you REALLY feel?
 
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swhitebull    RE:What happened? Is there a full moon out tonight?   3/28/2004 3:58:44 PM
Hm thats a NEW Post of yours, with new language, not the one where you said I was too ignorant. Did it deleted or something? swhitebull - was it something you said? oh yes, you said i was too ignorant!
 
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appleciderus    So Bosnia is justified...   3/28/2004 4:58:04 PM
...in retrospect? Gee whizz, maybe after Kerry is elected and forced to face reality, gBWR will invoke retrospective justification. Do we really have to go through this Hiroshima bull$hit again? Hey! Mr. "can't get no respect at SP", search the archives. We proved you wrong last time, the time before that, and next time too. BTW, in addition to the obviously not so well known Lend Lease contributions to the USSR, there was also the engraving plates, paper, and ink from the US Treasury to print German occupation money. The Soviets printed $250 million, all of it redeemed by US taxpayers. Which doesn't mention the US built railroad through Iran that allowed the Soviets to install a puppet state in NW Iran after the war. I just hate it when people determine that history needs to be changed because it doesn't fit their political views. What a schmuck!
 
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appleciderus    Sorry   3/28/2004 5:04:37 PM
Often the site drops the last character, it should have read: What a schmuck!!
 
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swhitebull    European Double Standards - Even as we get Away from the Initial Topic   3/28/2004 6:50:57 PM
European Double Standards - Even as we get Away from the Initial Topic 3/28/2004 6:44:48 PM It seems like the litany of protests of the United States liberating the people of Iraq goes on and on and on. However, for the sake of fairness, let's go ahead and list the voices of all those Europeans that were NOT heard in the following conflicts. (I know, Ive posted it before, but, what the hell, there seems no satisfying immoral people with a litany of double standards when it is thrown back in the santimonious faces. And, I admit, the list is prejudicial, but it was a post from the Israeli board, so keep it in context). Originally a post to our long departed dear friend, Rosie: Arab massacres and the European Responses We'll leave out ALL of the terrorist bombings that PALIS have perpetrated against Jewish/Israeli women and children, and the lack of European responses, EXCEPT when Israel either acts to retaliate or to pre-empt the leadership. We already know the double-standard morality of that, even as Arafat and his thugs steal blindly from the EU But let's examine the European responses to the following, and list all the street demonstrations to protest, shall we? ..In terms of present day atrocities, say, in the last 100 years, who has killed more people? It wasn't the Arabs who killed Jews so mercilessly.. Oh, you want to talk of modern day massacres. Let's start: In order: These were posted in response to a poster who accused the Israelis of massacring 1000s of Palestinians. link the relevant points: We start with those fun-loving Syrians: Now lets talk about some other massacres, and the European reactions, shall we? Gotta love the massacre of Syrians by Syrians in Hama? From the Syrian Human Rights Committee: ?Although seventeen years [written in 1999 ? that would make this 1982, right?] have elapsed since the massacre perpetrated on Hama- a town lay in the heart of Syria with population amounts to 350000 inhabitants- it is still considered the most ruthless campaign, during which the government of president Asad employed the regular army, forces especially trained and units of secret security services to crush and root out the Syrian opposition. For 27 days starting from February 2nd 1982, the Syrian forces put Hama under a siege, shelled the town with all kinds of artillery, then Hama was ravaged by military and special forces, and its civilians were severely punished. The estimated victims range between 30000 and 40000 civilians including ladies, children and elderlies. 15000 civilians were considered lost since then and had never traced back. Thousands of civilians were obliged to desert the town, as one third of Hama had been completely destroyed. Many mosques, churches and historical buildings were left in rubbles as a consequence to the government?s artillery bombardment. Foreign press reports said that the Syrian government had given the military forces full authority to finish the opposition and to punish all sympathisers. To avoid any popular protests or world condemnation, hushing up on Hama was imposed, all transport and communication links with the town were suspended. An embargo to the entry and parting was imposed on the town. During that period, Hama was a target to military operations on a large scale. Units of the army, special forces, defence brigades, military intelligence, general intelligence and militia of the ruling Ba?ath party took part in the operations against Hama. The campaign was led by the president?s younger brother brigadier Rifa?at Asad who was appointed two months earlier the martial ruler of the northern and middle districts of the country. An estimated number of 12000 especially trained soldiers were put under his authorities.? So what was that number of victims again? ESTIMATED AT 30-40,000!!! At their worst, the Christian Phalange killed FAR less in the entire time of the civil war, than the Syrians did over several days. And the Israelis are PIKERS compared to this. And the rest: ...Let?s discuss ALL of the massacres that Arabs have perpetrated on non-Muslims, or other Arabs [in this century] Lets start in the 1920s, for a good reference point. I?ll let you do that one. [in reference to ALL of the massacres of Jews in the British Mandate from the 1920s thru the 1940s].. ..I?ll just mention several, just for your greater edification and education. But as a reference, and Ive written about this before, lets start with: Iraqi Arab massacres of Kurds- oh, about 20-30,000. POISON GAS USED. WHERE WAS THE EUROPEAN PROTEST AND CONDEMNATION? Don't remember any street demonstratios on this one, do you? Iraqi massacre of Shiites - oh , upwards of 75,000 murdered. WHERE WAS THE EUROPEAN PROTEST AND CONDEMNATION? Don't remember any street demonstrations on this one, do you? Iraqi slaughter of Iranians POWs- at LEAST 15,000
 
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appleciderus    So Bosnia is justified...   3/28/2004 7:41:24 PM
...in retrospect? Gee whizz, maybe after Kerry is elected and forced to face reality, gBWR will invoke retrospective justification. Do we really have to go through this Hiroshima bull$hit again? Hey! Mr. "can't get no respect at SP", search the archives. We proved you wrong last time, the time before that, and next time too. BTW, in addition to the obviously not so well known Lend Lease contributions to the USSR, there was also the engraving plates, paper, and ink from the US Treasury to print German occupation money. The Soviets printed $250 million, all of it redeemed by US taxpayers. Which doesn't mention the US built railroad through Iran that allowed the Soviets to install a puppet state in NW Iran after the war. I just hate it when people determine that history needs to be changed or ignored because it doesn't fit their political views.
 
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SGTObvious    We don't play God.   3/29/2004 6:36:41 AM
We don't Play God. We do, however, have access to his "SMITE" button..
 
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SGTObvious    Ignorance, Serbia, and Aid to Russia   3/29/2004 6:45:59 AM
"I wrote that education should focus on the most important facts and that US military aid for the Russians is none." Garbage. If you are ignorant about facts, you have no way to judge their importance, other than your own fantasies and prejudice. "The war in Serbia was justified later on by a UN resolution," More Garbage. No resolution by that corrupt and stinking cesspool can morally justify what was done to a western nation in the name of making islamic seperatists happy.. Just wait till we have to divide Germany and Belguim, so their large muslim minorities can live peacefully under sharia. When we have to bomb Brussels and Bonn so that the muslims can tear off their next piece of Europe, maybe the Europeans will think differently.
 
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swhitebull    RE:European Double Standards - Even as we get Away from the Initial Topic   3/29/2004 8:18:24 AM
..swhitebull, may I remember? Originally the discussion was about whether European media had a biased coverage of the Iraq war... You may remember all you want, but it seems to be a recurring problem that your memory is is selective at best, faulty and failing at worst. To refresh your failing mental faculties, 90% of the article by Mr. Dunnigan dealt with Iraqi opinions of the war and its affect on them. THE ONLY mention of foreign media bias was a throw-away paragraph - which was the last paragraph of his very lengthy piece. YOU chose to focus on this incidental comment of Mr. Dunnigan and to make it into an issue, rather than to focus on the main thrust of Mr. Dunnigan's point, which was the opinion poll of the Iraqi people. So sorry that YOU fail to get "it", but that is not MY problem. Go see your doctor, he might suggest something to improve your "ignorance" in your ability to focus properly on what is written, and to improve your cognitive abilities to interpret clearly-written text. swhitebull - I suggest you eat more fish - especially with Omega-3 fatty acids. It's rumoured to do wonders for a failing memory.
 
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