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Subject: The Sea of Fables and Self-Deception
James Dunnigan    7/24/2005 10:25:39 PM

The July 7 al Qaeda attacks in London have motivated Pakistan to make some energetic moves against terrorists. This is because three of the London suicide bombers were identified as of Pakistani origin. Moreover, there are about half a million Pakistanis (migrants or their descendents) in Britain, and this group stays in touch with the old country. Pakistan was embarrassed by the situation. The Pakistani actions consisted of raids on religious schools (Madrassas) suspected of training Islamic radicals. Pakistan has pledged, before, to shut down these schools, but backed off when confronted with political pressure from Islamic conservative groups. But now, the connection of some of the London bombers to these schools has given the government the incentive to move against them once more. This will probably have no long term effect. Any schools directly related to London suicide bombers may be closed, but the other people arrested, will probably be quietly released, and other schools will be allowed to continue operating.

 The problem with Islamic schools is not that they teach hatred of the West and condone Islamic terrorism. No, the larger problem is that most Islamic clerics and leaders believe that that the West is basically at fault and the cause of so many problems in the Islamic world. For example, it is still widely believed, and casually mentioned in sermons or classroom instruction, that the September 11, 2001 attacks were actually carried out by the CIA and/or Israel to provide an excuse to make war on the Moslem world. Despite the widespread approval by Iraqis of the removal of Saddam dictatorship, most Islamic clerics continue to preach of the "illegal occupation" of Iraq and the justified battle by Iraqis to end this. What these clerics ignore is that the violence in Iraq is largely Saddam's Sunni Arab supporters trying to regain power.  

This lack of agreement on fundamental issues is what provides so much support for al Qaeda. In the Moslem world, the clergy, and many civil leaders, have bought into the ?it?s not our fault? concept in a big way. To them, all the ills of the Moslem world are the fault of  Western, especially Israeli, plots. Moslem inaction is innocent, in part because "Islam" means "submission," and passivity is accepted as a reasonable approach to life. The Islamic terrorists are admired because, in this sea of passivity, they are actually doing something. While these same Islamic leaders condemn al Qaeda for killing so many Moslems in their attacks, they have a hard time completely denouncing al Qaeda?s activities. After all, al Qaeda is on a mission from God, and the suicide bombers are Holy Warriors. While some Islamic clergy will condemn some of the attacks, they will turn around and agree with a lot of the al Qaeda rhetoric about what is wrong with the world and why. Until the Moslem world gets a reality check, and agrees that most of their problems are self inflicted, and best worked out by themselves, al Qaeda will continue to flourish in a sea of fables and self-deception.

 
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yvette176    RE:The Sea of Fables and Self-Deception    7/25/2005 10:55:06 AM
it's all about fundamentalism. the Muslims see the world as not conforming to their "design", and do not accept the fact that the world is composed of people that choose to live a different lifestyle than what their imams tell them is a "proper" Muslim lifestyle. the Muslims see that the rest of the world is comprised of people that choose to live lives that are very different from theirs. the fundamentalists among the Muslims tell them that this is wrong, because they live a life outside of what *their* religious leaders tell them is "proper". the fundamentalists then glom onto unhappy people, people who feel that they don't "fit in", people down on their luck, the dispossessed and so forth, who are "ripe" for programming. they then tell these people "if you follow our rules you'll go to heaven as a hero" and boom you've got a suicide bomber. where have we seen this before? where have we seen people preying upon others who are down on their luck or anxious about the future? this is the same tactic employed by the neo-nazi groups, the abortion clinic bombing groups, Jonestown, et al. people who believe that only *they* know what is good for other people. they insert the name of their religious book when they need to "prove" that they know what is best. this will end when people stop believing in the literal interpretation of what is written in some "ancient text" and start thinking. until then, the world will be a really farked-up place. "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
 
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Alter Mann    RE:The Sea of Fables and Self-Deception    12/4/2005 10:51:59 PM
Thank you, Yvette. Your restraint is remarkable. I have always wondered what would replace politics as an explanation for why someone else seems to be living better than you are. Apparently religion is another possibility. I think that one of the problems is that, just like most people in the old USSR didn't have any idea what it was really like to live in the US, most Moslems don't have a way to find out either. Unfortunately, I am afraid that, especially given recent events, both groups would decide that we live pretty much as we deserve to, whether that is good or bad.
 
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