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Subject: America vs. Russia
sooner    1/30/2004 11:22:14 AM
Allies--supposedly. Who would strategically win a war?
 
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roadcop    RE:America vs. Russia   1/31/2004 12:39:20 AM
No one. Until we have nukes. Someone here wrote like this: US will destroy Russian Army and after that nationalists and separatists will do the rest of job. Thats not true. If someone will occupy Russia he'll gets the greatest guerilla movement in history. Remember 1812 and WW2. Certainly, Russia couldnt stand full-scale conventional war with US. That will change in about 20-30 years, I think. All Russia have now - 2-3 combat-ready airborne divisions and several spetsnaz and marine brigades. All other troops are of poor quality. So now Russian government counts only on Nukes. P.S. Two days ago first party of new MI-24PN all-weather attack helicopters was received by Army Air Force. Something good happening (for Russia).
 
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Military Strength    RE:America vs. Russia   4/18/2004 4:26:37 PM
america russia has no chance
 
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Final Historian    RE:America vs. Russia   4/18/2004 5:14:56 PM
Roadcop is right, America could destroy the Russian military, but never occupy the country. And the presence of nukes would preclude any open hostilities.
 
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kuznet    RE:America vs. Russia   4/19/2004 8:36:29 PM
russia is not the enemy and this thread is out of date by 15 years, Russia is a ally on the war on terror and soon enough maybe closer military ties. Remember Nato and Russian supplies are stationed in Latvia, Lithuania etc..sharing,, ALLIES.. USA + RUSSKA ALLIES always..:)
 
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tank    RE:America vs. Russia   4/19/2004 9:45:42 PM
your right kuznet,most everybody knows russia is not the enemy.These questions are mainly hypotheticals from the cold war days.
 
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Stalin_1243    well....   5/31/2004 4:28:04 PM
That is quite difficult. Russia has no intention of using its missiles in war but a war with America would gain back Russias supremacy if Russia wins. Russia could rain Americas western coast with ICBMs while Americ could rain Russias (deserted) eastern coasts. The Russians would wait for America to touch there land and begin a war oin the east. and then bomb the east. But if America would invade from the west more than likely Russia would NOT use bombs in Highlt populated areas. Basically its an unknown win, but Geographical features help much.
 
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dudley    RE:well....   6/1/2004 1:27:42 AM
yall are worried about the wrong opponent here.CHINA,hear this ruskies is where your energies should be applied.thunk shes your buddy?WRONG.
 
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Danuas    RUSSIA IS STRONGER THEN U THINK   6/1/2004 11:57:51 PM
The russian army is actually more powerful then the u.s army. Russia has the second largest armend forces in the world. 1,5 million well trained soldiers. They have the largest air force in the world , 2,400 aircrafts (The U.S has 250). They also have about 9,300 ACV's ( the U.S has 1,400). And dont forget that russia also has 5,000 artillery (the U.S has about 350). And lets not take about their navy. Largest and most developed submarine force. I know these number sound crazy. I could'nt belive it myself. Now you might say, "well the U.S army is alot more advanced and newer". Well not really. The U.S.S.R broke down in 1991. I know for sure that 90% of the army are from the 80's. The MIG plains are very advanced. I have seen them. Im dont think that russia could actually invade the U.S but The U.S would'nt stand a chance. Russia is still a Superpower, if not a Megapower.
 
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tank    RE:dANUAS STOP SMOKING PROPAGANDA   6/2/2004 12:16:01 AM
I don't know where the hell you got your numbers,but there were about 250 aircraft at my base alone which was a small training base.NOTE before you start barking out numbers do your research.
 
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tank    RE:RUSSIA IS STRONGER THEN U THINK   6/2/2004 12:28:13 AM
WOW you are either paranoid or working for the communist party.Those numbers are absolutly outhere. TANK Incredible
 
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Lightning Rod    RE:RUSSIA IS STRONGER THEN U THINK   6/2/2004 12:01:22 PM
The topic was Russia Vs America. That means the USA not Brazil. Russia would be a very tough foe for any other country in the world. Even the USA. Please let me know were you came up with the idea that the US has 250 aircraft. Put the crack pipe down!
 
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Danuas    RE:RUSSIA IS STRONGER THEN U THINK   6/2/2004 2:39:12 PM
well Let me first say that 250 sounds a bit low, i know that. Go to link This is where i got most of my info from. Oh by the way, please try and act a bit more "grown up". This is discussion, not a street fight.
 
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sentinel28a    RE:RUSSIA IS STRONGER THEN U THINK   6/2/2004 5:33:35 PM
Maybe you meant 2500? That sounds about right for the USAF. Of course, that doesn't include US Naval Aviation or the Marines' air wings. Numbers don't mean squat. By sheer numbers, we should have lost in Iraq last year and the Wehrmacht shouldn't have gotten past Kiev in '41. What you look at are things like morale, logistics, and quality. Right now, Russia suffers in all three categories, though they are getting better. In a straight-up conventional war, Russia would lose. But it would be like Napoleon fighting Prussia--we would defeat Russia only to have to fight them three years later. I don't think anyone has been able to occupy the Russians since the Mongols for any appreciable length of time. I'm not saying this to run down Russia. Of all the countries in the world, Russia tops the list of Countries Not to Fight.
 
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tank    RE:America vs. Russia   6/2/2004 5:42:12 PM
That is true sentinal .Even if russia had 2400 aircraft they would not have good qualified pilots to fly them at this point.I know that attacking russia conventionally could be one by the u.s..BUT at this point china is more of a concern to both countries. ON THE SUB NUMBERS DANIUS brought up MOST of the subs have been retired or are not operational.At this point in time the UNITED STATES has a much bigger sub fleet than russia.
 
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Danuas    RE:America vs. Russia   6/2/2004 8:40:38 PM
Well this is a very hard topic to discuss. First of all, Russia arent sharing all of its info on the army. So its really hard to say. By the way tank. You may actually have right in the submarine fleet. Russia has a very large fleet, but few of them are new and advanced. I am sorry if i was wrong. But I must say one thing. China is of NO concern for us. China will in no doubt be the richest country in the world by 8 years. But how do they get their money. Because they export many goods to the west. If they attacked us then who would buy their stuff. This would really decline their economy.
 
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