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Subject: Will anyone ever defeat the American army?
sooner    1/24/2004 2:13:23 PM
Will anyone ever defeat the American army?
 
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swhitebull    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army? Ehran   7/1/2004 7:17:52 PM
..Yep, and the SOmalians lost over 1000 dead to those outgunned us MArines. US pulled out for political reasons, NOT military. hmm thought it was rangers and some delta shooter.. Yep, you're right. I was writing to quickly and brain went dead in bashing this troll. And Ive seen Black Hawk Down 3 times as well. ME Bad. swhitebull - thanks for correcting me and keeping me honest.
 
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roadcop    RE:Vietnam   7/2/2004 4:42:01 AM
In fact, war in Vietnam was a war against Soviet Union. So, it wasnt possible for US to actually "win". (As in Korea) The same situation was in 1956 in Egypt. Only significant example of minor power which had guts to openly oppose nuclear power was Argentine in 1982. And it was their mistake.
 
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roadcop    RE:Vietnam   7/2/2004 4:43:38 AM
I've meant that in past Korea and Vietnam were supported by Soviets. So, they were aggressive enough to oppose such power as US.
 
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elcid    Canada did   7/2/2004 5:09:51 AM
The Canadian army dates its founding to an emergency call up to repel an invasion from the US. It won the battle and therefore the war. They teach this proudly in Canada.
 
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elcid    One US general lost TWO armies to TWO enemies!   7/2/2004 5:16:29 AM
MacArthur, of course, the "American Ceasar." He was defeated by the IJA in 1942, in spite of having a vastly superior number of troops. [At one point about a hundred thousand US and Filipinos were bottled up by a single infantry brigade with less than 2000 effectives.] Billiant Doug had tried a "defend everywhere" strategy and it failed utterly, and everywhere. So he fell back on Bataan, a place where you catch malaria by day and denge fever by night - something that happened to everyone not on Corrigadore in a few weeks. It was dumb - Fort Drum by itself could have bottled up Manila bay for a lot longer had they but supplied it with food. [It considered not surrendering when Waynewright did- it was fully effective - but starving.] Yamaa had a better plan - fall back on the high ground at Baguio - rice country - defend every ridge and river - there are few ways in. Mac might still have been in the field when we returned. But wait, there is more. He repeated the deal in Korea. The US Eighth Army, according to the official US Army historian for the Korean War, suffered "the longest retreat in American history" and "only that retreat could have preserved the army or its cause." One division was rendered worthless - every bit of heavy gear and vehicle was lost. Never again did US forces ever approach the Manchu frontier. All in all, a resounding answer to your question - from just one general.
 
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elcid    We took one hell of a beating.   7/2/2004 5:19:40 AM
No, I didn't say that. A WWII US Army general did. Upon being expelled from Burma, by a small, but efficient Japanese force, aided by two regiments of British troops that went over to the other side. [Can I say that? Are not troops of the British Empire British troops?] We don't talk about this much, I admit. But we had been in Burma for some time, building the Burma Road, an alternate way to supply KMT China. We also supplied the US Volunteer Group and other US missions (the marines had one with Mao) in China that way.
 
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elcid    Then of course there was my war - which we lost.   7/2/2004 5:25:10 AM
News flash: the Americans did not win the Viet Nam war. Nor did we win every battle. One decorated vet, who wrote a book, and you have seen a movie made out of that book, has the opposing general say "And they will think this was a victory." We didn't even understand the way to victory in Vietnam. The battle in question was really a test, to analyze our tactics. From it Giap, who we would call a great captain if only he was not our enemy, figured out a strategy. He came clean after the war, and all is in a US News and World Report interview. He never had any intention of losing, and he did not. At the end of the day North Vietnam conquered South Vietnam, an invaded Laos and Cambodia. Exactly what we wished to prevent and tried hard to prevent. If you don't regard that as a defeat, you are an irrational nationalist who will probably not admit when someone takes Detroit (again - ops - not supposed to talk about American defeats).
 
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displacedjim    RE:Will anyone ever defeat the American army?   7/2/2004 8:56:23 AM
I find it interesting how the original question was clearly posed as a question about the future, yet it quickly evolved into something quite different. It was not a request for a history lesson on whether America has ever suffered a military defeat on the battlefield, but whether anyone will beat us after today. It is blatently obvious to anyone with even a smattering of education that America has suffered defeats in its history, even some shameful ones, and it ought to go without saying among anyone above twit-level that eventually we will again lose to somebody somewhere. Clearly a discussion here can evolve away from the orginial question asked, and that often is a good thing, but I think it's interesting to see how it has. Many of the posts here sound like little more than whiney babies from third-rate countries who are jealous that their screwed-up cultures, economies, and governments can't come close to comparing in toto to ours in terms of national power, and that they can't hope to match us on the battlefield if we use even a modicum of sense and commit a reasonable level of resources to the battle. Since you know you can't beat us face-to-face, you console yourselves to dredging up American defeats from years past. Wake up and smell the coffee, losers, in any military confrontation we commit to winning we will continue to crush you on the battlefield for many, many years to come. It's only when we start to discuss truly outlandish scenarios like conquering and forcibly occupying nations against the will of the majority of their own people or committing our troops to some political solution that seriously compromises their combat capability that the likelihood of our victory becomes questionable. Your best hope for being the next force to defeat us militarily certainly is not on the actual battlefield, but rather on the other battlefield of manufactured American opinion. Perhaps the best answer to will anyone ever defeat the American army is yes, the (likely mislead) American public will. Displacedjim
 
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DrCruel    Defeat?   7/2/2004 9:14:40 PM
The US Army is beatable. US ideology isn't. So long as the US exists, other peoples elsewhere will inevitably call for the same freedoms that Americans enjoy.
 
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Ehran    RE:Then of course there was my war - which we lost.   7/2/2004 10:03:34 PM
If you don't regard that as a defeat, you are an irrational nationalist who will probably not admit when someone takes Detroit (again - ops - not supposed to talk about American defeats) I've seen detroit. you can keep it hehe.
 
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