The subject line of this topic reeks with arrogance, as if the United States had been some unstoppable juggernaut of military might since time began. Truth be told the yanks had their rear ends handed to 'em by a roughneck group of farmers, fur traders, indians and a few british troops back in 1812. Also, while it may not be the American viewpoint, to the rest of the world it would appear the same happened in Viet Nam. Hard to call running back home with your tail between your legs a victory. While on paper the vast amount of money, resources, technology etc. the US military has at its disposal would make them appear to be unstoppable, it is the same feeling of invincibility that ultimately leads to the downfall of empires. Right now there may not be any one country capable of matching their might, however several nations working together could easily topple them. Let's say Canada, Russia, and Japan decide to carve up the u.s amongst themselves one day.... Unbeknownst to the united states, a massive build-up on the Canadian US border takes place: Russian troops and equipment flows into the great white north via the arctic. It's movement goes undetected by u.s sattelites as the ships are disguised as iceburgs and humpback whales. (green peace unwittingly paves the way by personally escorting several "whales" into hudson bay themselves!) As this buildup takes place Japan begins a massive military buildup under the premise they want to help the united states deal with north korea. The americans unwittingly provide tech and training to the Japanese forces. (the us already has a great history of arming their own enemies anyway!) By the time this buildup is complete, most of the US military is still tied up in Iraq because let's face it: they're there for the long haul. This gives the canadian/japanese/russian alliance their chance: On July 4th, while most in the us military are busy making sure their medals are shiny and their bbq's lit the japanese forces cross the pacific and assault the us mainland in the west. The us scrambles to defend, leaving the vast unprotected border with Canada open to the Russian's hiding in Canada. Columns of tanks and artillary roll south, eventually laying seige to washington. By this point the world is watching, and seeing that this alliance was able to get this far, several nations join the assault on the us for the sake of taking out the super power and sharing in the spoils. Brittain sends it's navy to help on the East coast, however instead of repelling the attackers they join in because they are promised texas. When all is said and done Alaska becomes Canadian, the russians get the east coast, the japanese the west, and brittain gets texas. Now this seems absurd because these nations are generally considered allies of the US, however given recent changes in the US's foreign policy it's not unbeleivable that other nations would tire of the united states being the bullies of the world. Watch out for Canada!

hahaha, I certaily hope this last post was a joke there Sanchez. If not let me hack it to pieces for you. "and Japan" never happen in the first place, the US and Japan are quite friendly and I dont see that changing any time in the near future. anyway, even if we werent good friends, the Japanese are pacifists, theres no way they would take part in any sort of an invasion. They havnt seen combat since WWII, and the ones in Iraq right now are the first ones deployed to a dangerous area since then (they are there for humanitarian assistance though, not combat.) "Unbeknownst to the united states, a massive build-up " Anything massive is going to be see by the US. "the ships are disguised as iceburgs and humpback whales." ahahaha are you serious? ignoring the whole disguise thing do you know how long it would take them to transport enough to even be a threat to the states considering the transeportation they have available? and also with the condition of russias sea fairing vessles at the moment id say a good number of them would sink along the way. "Japan begins a massive military buildup under the premise they want to help the united states deal with north korea" Dispite their dislike for the DPRK the Japanese military is a defensive organization, hence the name JSDF (japanese self defense force). and realy, its there just to slow down the attack of anyone until the US main body arrives. Like i said, their pacifists, if anything ever went down in nK they would have minimal involvement unless they were attacked. "The americans unwittingly provide tech and training to the Japanese forces." we already do. "the japanese forces cross the pacific and assault the us mainland in the west." first off, do you have any idea how long it takes to cross the pacific ocean? you certainly cant do it "On July 4th". There is no way in hell anybody could openly cross an ocean to attack the States, the US Navy is much more advanced and many times larger than any other naval force in the world. and for some reason if they get to the mainland like i said, the japanese military is a small self defence force, it would be defeated in a short amount of time. "The us scrambles to defend, leaving the vast unprotected border with Canada open to the Russian's hiding in Canada. Columns of tanks and artillary roll south, eventually laying seige to washington." Even if for some absolutly insane reason that Russia makes it there, I am almost posotive the forces that are left in the states in your little scenario will be able to defeat what comes down from canada. Not to metion if russia had a force large enough to be a threat they would probably run out of logistical support 10 miles in. Another comment on Japan, what about the large number of US troops always stationed in Japan? ya, go ahead and attack, the US forces will have Tokyo before the japanese have time to cross the pacific. I noticed you didnt say anything about the canadian military? is that because they could be turned back by US civialians alone? thought so.

Was it the crack about the Canadian military that gave it away? Oh well, I do recall that canadians were the only soldiers to reach their objective on D-day however because the united states likes to burn money on the military so much no need for canada too so we're pretty feeble right now. I'm surprised that after sept 11 one can still have that attitude that "we're well protected over here". Truth be told the us had info on an impending attack and still couldn't stop it. The mighty us airforce looked ineffective against a couple of lumbering passanger jets for crying out loud. Hell, if there were a bildup of russian troops in canada the us might know about it but by the time they did anything about it george bush would be in the gulag and the washington monument would cast it's shadow on the city of "putin-grad"

OK, let's define the terms of victory here. In the case of a total war, no one nation nor any combination of nations has a snowballs chance in hell of defeating the U.S. It's a game of numbers, and the U.S. has more: more technology, more manufacturing capability, more educated citizens (God bless public schools) who make better soldiers, more native raw materials... get the picture? Oh, and in terms of WWIII where everyone nukes everyone, just remember that nearly all of our nukes are maintained and working, where the same can not be said of most of the opposition. Now in terms of a limited war, there are a number of factors that may contribute to a U.S. defeat, but I'll save that for another post.

Yes! The Americans. US now a bit similar to the Empire of Charlemagne. The Frank empire was so strong any other coutry had even the slightest chance to defeat it. Only internal problems could broke the Empire. I think the same about US.

There goes interesting question. Does any possibility of global war in near future really exist? Why to discuss absolutely fictious scenarios? US now think that no one can defeat them. They even think that mighty aliens from deep space couldnt ;-) (remember Independence Day Movie, one of the dumbest movies I saw). Hell, all you need is one big missile, and all aliens will be killed... Its no sence to use word "ever". We cant know what future will await us in 500 or 1000 years. Every empire in the world had its moment of power (Roman Empire, Frank Empire, Spain, Great Britain, Russia). No its USA. So, will US hold their position as most powerful empire in the world? Thats more practical question. So, we should ask not "Will anyone ever defeat the American army?", but "Will any country in the world become so powerful to challenge USA for leadership?". Russia (or China, or India) doesnt need to defeat American army. In modern world you should be most advanced and rich, and you'll achieve world leadership. And then, you can buildup your army and fight with US, if you really need it :-)

Lol The discussion about the US losing a war has turned to "russians sneaking across the poles disguised as icebergs and humpback whales". I don't even know where to begin on this. Its so ridiculous, I think that if it actually happened, we would be laughing too hard to stop the invasion. Sanchez, of course if you come up with something that crazy and tailored to the US weaknesses, then yes, someone is going to defeat the US. I mean, Russians disguised as ice bergs and whales, as well as the Japanese fleets crossing the ocean in the blink of an eye... and not to mention, Canada going along with this cause they NEED Alaska!! Britain wants Texas? Whatever drugs you are on, it must be some damned powerful stuff. Well, if martian bacteria plan now, and if they start the invasion by planting themselves on a rock and launching themselves towards earth, they can invade from the inside when some scientist takes the rock back to his lab. Then they find a host, multiply, take over human bodies, and breed until the human race is killed off. We don't stand a chance, the human race is doomed unless we act now and stop this potential martian invasian fleet from reaching earth. And if monkeys could fly, we would have to lock up all the bananas.

I like the responses my plot is bringing out in people. the fact that it's laughed off as ludacrous just proves how susceptible the American people are to attack. Is it absurd to think that Japan will suddenly turn, that Canada will betray, that Russia will get the stones to do something or that the Brittish would jump on the pile too? Of course. Who in their right mind would suspect it? Which is why this plan would work. Granted the Japs would have to find a way to get their fleet to the west coast, but this is easily done given the friendly relations. Say, under the premise of Pacific maneouvers with the american fleet. They go out to do their excercises however the Japs shoot for real catching the yanks off guard. That should do nicely. Would all this happen? No, but if the countries I mentioned for some reason went crazy and decided they want to I'm merely pointing out that it could be done, and it would all stem from the overconfidence that permeates every pore of the american people.

Roadcop: "Its no sence to use word "ever". We cant know what future will await us in 500 or 1000 years. Every empire in the world had its moment of power (Roman Empire, Frank Empire, Spain, Great Britain, Russia). No its USA." It seems to me on this site most people think "ever" " forever" means 20 years. But anyway less than 100 ys! :-)

Yes, I agree. Its very easy to make prognosys on nearest future. So, the answer is "no one will defeat US army in 20 years from today" ;-) But... Russia really will return to superpower status, maybe not this century, but this millenium. LOL (on myself).