My thoughts on china: All my statistics come from the CIA World Factbook at China has just over 200 million men fit for service. They have conscription, so if they really wanted to invade the US I'd say you can expect up to 150 million soldiers on your doorstep, althought in all likelyhood it will not go near this high, its possible. USA has just over 70 mill able bodied men, but not necessarily fit for service, I rekon they have 30-40 mill, but to make you happey, they could muster 50-60 mill if they brought back conscription themselves. As for getting over to the US, china is the most industrial strong nation in the world, they will have no shortage of boats. And if you fortify your coast, they could invade mexico, and run up north, or invade British Columbia and attack you by land, they dont need to occupy mexico, just move troops through it long enough for them to take a few ports on your West Coast and start pouring in the troops. Norad breaches have happened before by single persons, immagine what more a group of government funded Elitests could accomplish, or ruin.

That was my first post =)

According to CIA Factbook, China has 0.1% Adult Prevalance rate. whilst America has 0.6%. Now I dont think either of them are right, I recall hearing that 1 in 5 Americans have some form of HIV. China is coming out with new weapon designs all the time, google can find you specs of many very good chinese weapons.

The latest few Chinese internet brigade posters here have tried suggesting (apparently in seriousness, not as a joke) that sometime in the near future China could successfully mount an invasion of America and sustain it even to the point of conquering us. You are collectively on crack. I sincerely hope you actually ARE representative of Chinese military thought. Then I could relax knowing that my job is easier as the PLA would be run by imaginative, but thoroughly ignorant of military reality, thinkers. Displacedjim

Okay, let's assume the hack our systems, do we have anyone in the US capable of hacking back, repairing the damage? I assume yes. This type of tactic would work if they were trying to seek a ICBM into the conutry or slip a plane through. But the scrappy Americans would somehow prevail....we always have. Again I go back to my earlier point, how can you get so many Chinese here? The largest invasion force ever was on D-Day, some 300,000 men landed in Normandy etc, it took months just to get all that equipment shipped over. Now I know technology has improved but transport ships still travel about the same speed. The figures you guys are throwing around....2 million people to sail thousands of miles with all their equipment? It wouldn't matter if what the Chinese could do to our computers they would be back up and running at some capacity in no time. You can read atricles on this site on the main page which details China's capablities....not very promising....all their equipment is outdate designs...maybe they have some new peices here or there but you have to be able to sustain a huge campaign against the US and all their new stuff would be gone in less than a day. But if for sake of arguement you must persist that the US would instantly lose out ability to operate computers and our networks ( the US only invented them) we do have a history of beating huge armies without them. A more interesting comparison would be WWII US against China today! Also, China economy is strong but it is relative to the region and not to the US. There is no economy that competes with the US for high tech, military goods and shear might to manufacture. Sure China can make plastic tanks and toy guns by the millions but actual weapons, no comparision.

Smurf... if you're trusting google just take this for an example.. China lies because if it didn't its true situation would be garbage. How can you believe the AIDS figures that China puts out when they put doctors into reeducation camps because they tried to tell the world of the -real- numbers. They are pitiful. In every single way.

All, I believe this has gone off topic (slightly). In my opinion, currently no one can defeat the American Armed Forces due to their logistic ability. As any student of military history knows its not having the biggest and best army that wins you the war its having the supplies to support the army that wins you the war. Currently American is king in this. Will this change maybe, but not for a little while yet. Oh on the China subject here are some articles to ponder over: http://www.rand.org/publications/CT/CT217/CT217.pdf http://www.jamestown.org/publications_details.php?volume_id=395&issue_id=2939&article_id=236640

I work in the IT security business and no, I'm not a Chinese. I'm not a communist also and I can prove that even to the McCarty cometee. I state this because I see some people are already babbling about " few Chinese internet brigade posters ". The scenario I've proposed to your attention has a very, very small chance of ever coming to reality. But as a person who works in protecting information I must be aware what my enemies capabilities and intentions are. So is absolutely no need for some of you gentlemen to take it so personally as an attack to the US military might and prestige. Next, I would like to clarify some things that were posted here: "Okay, let's assume the hack our systems, do we have anyone in the US capable of hacking back, repairing the damage? I assume yes. This type of tactic would work if they were trying to seek a ICBM into the country or slip a plane through. But the scrappy Americans would somehow prevail....we always have." No, they don't need to take control. They only need to create a virus smart enough that it could penetrate every single computer in the US. As you might already know the Defense Dep. just reported that they have found some "malware" in their middle tier networks that were not connected to the Internet and they cam to realize that "not having any kind of antivirus protection" on this systems was not a good policy. The virus in case would only need to "fry" all the chips in the machines they've infected at a pre-established time. And no, it's not easy to replace a network of super computers, because many of them are one of a kind and no amount of "replacements" could cover up the loss. If all the radars and missile launch controls are inoperable than US would be in the WW1 era but with better tanks. "You are collectively on crack." And you young man should obviously go back to elementary school where they teach you what "civilized discussion" means. And I really hope you are very young... "Sure China can make plastic tanks and toy guns by the millions but actual weapons, no comparison" Right, I wouldn't like to be in the range of such a "plastic tank", T92 Chinese copy actually. And for those who like to think that world starts and ends with the US, no, the computers were not invented in the US. The PC was. But the chip factories are 90% in Asia and many of the engineers working in them are Chinese, Indian or Russian. As for hacker history Chinese programmers created almost 60% of the most dangerous computer viruses and trojans. Also I've never said that China would fight the US alone but with Iran, North Korea, Syria, Libya and maybe others as allies.

"Could Anyone Successfully Invade America Any Time Soon (Next 20 Years)? 9/9/2004 9:55:36 AM The latest few Chinese internet brigade posters here have tried suggesting (apparently in seriousness, not as a joke) that sometime in the near future China could successfully mount an invasion of America and sustain it even to the point of conquering us. You are collectively on crack. I sincerely hope you actually ARE representative of Chinese military thought. Then I could relax knowing that my job is easier as the PLA would be run by imaginative, but thoroughly ignorant of military reality, thinkers. Displacedjim" ---- 1) If you're not part of the Chinese internet brigade, then I wasn't talking to you. 2) As you can see from the very title of my post, I wasn't talking to you--unless you meant that after this massive information warfare attack on a scale thousands of times larger and more sophisticated than any seen so far that somehow penetrates every computer in the entire U.S. military, then China, Iran, North Korea, Syria, and Libya try to invade America with the intention of physically conquering us. 3) If the above scenario is something you're suggesting is within the realm of being even remotely possible, then... yes, you are on crack, too. And if China is going to spend billions of dollars on defense, I'd rather see it going into network attack research than into buying more Su-30MKKs and SA-20s, and if they're going to devote the efforts of their best programmers to defense, I'd rather see them spending their time on network attack research than on software for the XXJ and their newest Aegis-like destroyers. Successful invasion of America by China et al. is such a statistically remote possibility that it's not worth thinking about; Chinese invasion of Taiwan is a very real possibility. My money's on the latter. Displacedjim

"Successful invasion of America by China et al. is such a statistically remote possibility that it's not worth thinking about; Chinese invasion of Taiwan is a very real possibility. My money's on the latter." If invasion of Taiwan is a high possibility than what do you think it would really happen? If there would be no peaceful solution for annexing the territory China will invade it. And the US will be pretty in the same dilemmas they were at the beginning of th m he Vietnam War: Shall we fight and risk a major conflict? Or shall we do nothing and suggest to our enemies that our nation’s power is decreasing. And if they enter a war the scenario I've proposed starts to be more credible, isn't it?