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Subject: Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied
HiloBill    5/13/2005 5:17:09 PM
I have posted at another subforum here never realizing that a "Russia Discussion Board" existed. Most all my posts were related to Russia. As I had explained at the other sub-forum, I believe Russia (and China) pose a lethal threat to America and the rest of the West. The website I had been working on for a couple of months is now completed: http://www.thefinalphase.com It is totally commerical free and no money is made there - it is solely for the purpose of raising awareness of the aforementioned threat. Below is my introduction to the site: "The Final Phase" Thesis An Introduction Russia and China are not our friends. They are not our true partners in the war on terror or in the world of free-trade. They engage the West as partners for now while it is to their advantage, but only as a means to an end. Conventional wisdom concludes that Russia and China "need" the West for their long-term national interests and prosperity. They do not; there are other avenues. Today, we establish joint intelligence operations with Russia's FSB (former KGB) in the war on terror and consider them to be full - "need to know" - partners and share our intelligence with them. This is a dangerous partnership. We invite China as a go-between partner in negotiating with North Korea to cajole them to abandon their nuclear program. We entrust China to act in good faith on our behalf when in fact they are more apt to manipulate the tension using North Korea as a potential diversion ploy in sync with their future military designs against Taiwan. Contrary to Beijing’s pronouncements, they are not concerned about Korea’s saber rattling; they welcome it and use it. Russia and China’s continuing modernization of weapon systems - especially strategic - and buildup of military might is rationalized and explained away by sophisticated, hopeful analyses in the West. However, such analyses fall short of adequately assessing their true threat and intentions. It appears no one dares say or even suggest what could be behind their growing military posture and mutual relationship. Besides, it is now a universally accepted notion that terrorism poses the largest and most imminent threat to the West. Whatever threat Russia and China may pose in the future it has taken a back seat to the more immediate concern of terrorism. (Ironically, there is a distinct possibility that today's terrorism may be interrelated to - part and parcel of - coordinated efforts and influence of Russia and China in the form of asymmetrical and proxy warfare against the West. For example, see Drugs, Russia & Terrorism and China's Military Planners Took Credit for 9/11.) Although masked to varying degrees, Russia and China are hostile toward the West and are jointly aligned with an objective to permanently end the West's "hegemony." The United States and Great Britain have abandoned their Cold War posture and are restructuring their intelligence organizations and concepts compelled by the new threat posed by terrorism. Defense is likewise restructuring and abandoning many of its heavy war-fighting concepts and components. It appears to be beyond the comprehension of Western intelligence that Russia and China may be acting in collusion and coordination against the West. Our preconceived notions about their supposed "primordial distrust" of one another tends to render this concern moot. We view Russia and China as two, distinctly separate nations pursuing their own national interests. But, what if Western intelligence is wrong? Less then two months before the 9/11 attacks, Russia and China signed a treaty in Moscow, on 16 July 2001, which may contain what some intelligence analysts suspect are secret military codicils beyond its overt provisions. However, even its overt language clearly indicates Russia will join China militarily should an "aggressor" interfere with its "internal affairs" over the issue of Taiwan. What are the ramifications of a militarily unified Russia and China to the world's balance of power? Has this been seriously considered by Western intelligence? At this late stage of "the final phase" plans of Russia and China, it may be too late for the West to awaken in time to thwart the emerging threat of their covert strategic alliance - time is running out. "The Final Phase" The threat posed by Russia and China - which trumps the threat of terrorism - does not originate in their alliance of 16 July 2001. The threat goes back much further than that. In 1961, a KGB major defected from Russia and unsuccessfully tried to warn Western intelligence of a long-range strategic deception planned against the West. The defector was Anatoliy Golitsyn. He said that Russia and China would feign a split between themselves in order to work a "scissors strategy" against the West. Confident that the West would try to take advantage of an apparent split between them, they pursued myriad ploys - including border cl
 
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glenn239    You didn't provide any answers. I take it you have none?   8/8/2005 3:46:23 PM
Nice to hear that money isn't a motive. I'll keep that in mind when reading your posts. Although not as explicitly rebuked, I take it that you are not trying to promote webtraffic to specific sites either? If so, you might wish to be less evasive when denying the accusation. Also, and not unexpectedly, you didn't provide any answers to the questions I posed. I remain unaware of any reasons why China and Russia need to be allied to launch a sneak attack, why Russia didn't try anything like this when the strategic picture was far more favourable to her, how our enemies can conduct a surprise attack and expect not to have to undergo intense interrogation or face nuclear retaliation. Nor do I see how you are willing to soften you public position to account for the off chance that you are being too paranoid. Let me know if you ever do come up with valid answers. Until then, it looks to me like the safest bet would be on "rambling xenophobia". And finally, to repeat - Do you agree that it is morally reprehensible to contribute to an atmosphere of tension and fear for personal gain? Yes or no???
 
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HiloBill    RE:You didn't provide any answers. I take it you have none?   8/8/2005 7:03:58 PM
Glenn, "Do you agree that it is morally reprehensible to contribute to an atmosphere of tension and fear for personal gain? Yes or no???" Yes. But, what does your question - insinuation/accusation - have to do with me or the topic of this thread? Obviously, you think your question IS relevant and you therefore infer that that is what I am doing or what this thread is about, which furthers my previous points that you have not taken the time to understand the contents of this thread nor my website. Just take the time to read my post below, "Letter re: Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied" Now allow me to pose a question to you: Do you agree that it is morally reprehensible to prejudge someone's position without a good faith attempt to understand it and instead criticize him, insult him, demean him, accuse him falsely of reprehensible intentions, and sarcastically offer off-point, ridiculous notions asserting/insinuating that such notions are equivalents? Yes or no??? HB
 
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McDohl    RE:You didn't provide any answers. I take it you have none?   8/9/2005 12:20:03 AM
so when is the US to be attacked? Just asking and with what will it be attacked by just let me know so I can get prepared.
 
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McDohl    the end of the world   8/9/2005 12:21:45 AM
in an attack like that when the US knows it cant win the US will launch its Nuclear missles at its enemys wich leves both countrys destroyed
 
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HiloBill    RE: Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   8/9/2005 1:30:05 AM
McDohl, A good syopsis is available in a letter I recently sent to someone (see it below); it encapsulates many of the issues in a concise way. The post's title below is, "Letter re: Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied." If you want to explore it more, see the Introduction at TheFinalPhase.com. Take care. HB
 
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glenn239    Your answer. Where are mine?   8/9/2005 1:00:24 PM
o you agree that it is morally reprehensible to prejudge someone's position without a good faith attempt to understand it and instead criticize him, insult him, demean him, accuse him falsely of reprehensible intentions, and sarcastically offer off-point, ridiculous notions asserting/insinuating that such notions are equivalents? Yes or no??? A: The answer to that is case-specific. In this case, the answer is no. Had you been promoting the opposite viewpoint (i.e., had you been trying to promote understanding and not fear or war) the answer would be "yes". Q: But, what does your question - insinuation/accusation - have to do with me or the topic of this thread? Obviously, you think your question IS relevant and you therefore infer that that is what I am doing or what this thread is about, which furthers my previous points that you have not taken the time to understand the contents of this thread nor my website. A: In all fairness Bill, I did wade through alot of what you linked. It looked like disjointed rambling paranoia to me.
 
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HiloBill    Sincere, Honest Questions v. Rhetoric   8/9/2005 4:22:56 PM
Glenn, "Your answer. Where are mine?" As I had explained to you, previously, I have answered a number of your questions extensively. However, once it became quite evident to me that your questions were more a sounding board to insult rather than genuine, that you continued to mischaracterize my positions or notions, and were purposed as overall rhetorical in nature, I told you that I would not engage your questions any longer. But, as I told you - if you were sincerely asking - where to find the answers here in this thread (especially the recent one below re the "Letter") and at my website should you truly want to know. However, you assert here - again - that I'm not being reasonable in answering your questions....you know the reasons why. And, your current reply contains the same kind of attitude you have expressed for some time now. You suggest and imply in this most recent reply of yours, that my motivations in bringing up this whole topic in the first place is based on 'not wanting to promote understanding, rather wanting to promote the fear of war.' This assertion alone tells me that, contrary to what you say, you have not in fact honestly examined the most basic issues that I have brought up nor have you undertaken any serious attempt to understand what I have put forth here. Your response, highlighted by your very last one, "In all fairness Bill, I did wade through alot of what you linked. It looked like disjointed rambling paranoia to me," furthers my belief that you're speaking out (lashing out) of a lack of basic, fundamental understanding of what I have put forth here in this thread and at my website. Otherwise, certainly you could show by example just one notion of "TFP Thesis" - TAKEN IN CONTEXT - that reveals some sort of "disjointed rambling paranoia," couldn't you? I doubt very much that you can, for the simple reason that I don't think you have made an honest attempt to understand – despite your assertions to the contrary. Again, the "Letter..." post below gives a good synopsis and overview (if you’re interested). (By the way, I had YOU specifically in mind when I posted that particular "Letter..." piece. Because - although I have since given up attempting to answer your questions, based on principle and for the reasons stated above which led me to concluded it was a waste of my time to do so - I gave you the benefit of doubt in my mind that you might read it anyway and it might provide you with an overview of the "TFP Thesis" which might explain things better to you and answer some of your questions.) So, if you should ever have sincere, honest questions about what this topic is all about, feel free to ask. If you're genuine, I'll answer the best I can. However, if your question reveals - like the vast majority of them so far - that you have not actually made an honest, good faith endeavor to understand from the material I've presented thus far, and/or that your questions come across merely as rhetorical with the usual sarcastic, insulting tone, then I will not answer you. It's one thing to honestly understand someone's position and disagree with it or with his conclusions. It's quite something else to call into question his motivations (from thin air) and to berate him and the rational process of thinking that brings him to different conclusions than your own with epitaphs, such as, "paranoia." This kind of response reveals narrow-mindedness and makes the person quite small, indeed. HB
 
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McDohl    RE:Russia AND China   8/10/2005 8:48:44 PM
whell glenn you seem to have very silly questions (this is earlier) "why is Russia and China allied are they in love or something" you sound like your in middle school!!! that is folishnes its a country not an actual living thing.China andd Russia had a major goal and that was to destroy the capitalist of the world, which would be America. Now I dont know what kind of plan they would make to destroy America but what HB has on his website could be some good evidence of them wanting to destroy the United States.It seems like a sci-fi book does int it? The Soviet Union was secretly broken up to foll the US and then struike when it lest expects, but if that is true what are you going to do?And if its not then go on with your life......knowing that the US is safe from anything.....
 
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HiloBill    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   8/14/2005 3:00:59 AM
Here's an audio link to an interview of J.R. Nyquist and Wade Queen from 13 Aug 05, which will shed some light on aspects of "TFP:" http://www.spiritoftruth.org.nz/radio/081305.wma
 
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McDohl    RE:Russia AND China - The Two Are Allied   8/14/2005 3:45:32 PM
HB what do you think about the news of Belarus and Poland,and what about the global attack on the 17th?
 
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