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Subject: CHECHNYA FREEDOM FIGHTERS Vs RUSSIA
Edward    8/23/2002 9:57:43 AM
Chechens are whoooping russias ass, bad style. i can not believe that 2000 freedom fighters have took on the whole of russia. chechens are very good rated gurilla fighters in the world. i personally think that russia should withdraw from chechnya and give them independence if not then get killed.
 
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RaptorZ    RE:CHECHNYA FREEDOM FIGHTERS Vs RUSSIA   8/26/2005 10:45:13 AM
Before I'd praise these Chechn rebels I just saw a special on the Falluja invasion. One of the first fire fights they came across in the documentary was against 6....yes 6 Chechens....what they doin in Iraq? BTW all of em died w/o the loss of any US soldiers...don't seem so impressive to get the jump on us and lose that bad ; ) And I'm sure the Russians are doing fine, they're no gimps....in fact just 15 years ago we were pretty damn worried of the Russians/Soviets...they didn't lose their skills in that short of a time. They should, in my opinion, still be respected like they were in the 90's. I think it's time for the US and Russia to become a little more trusting of one another, we have the same common enemy....
 
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GOP    RE:CHECHNYA FREEDOM FIGHTERS Vs RUSSIA - RaptorZ   9/3/2005 11:28:29 PM
I think I saw the same documentary on History Channel. The Chechens are top of the line islamic fighters...but I think that my sub-division could defeat Islamic fighters twice our size in a battle. At least we would be capable of shooting accurately (from the shoulder), we wouldn't rush out in the open, and we would probably have better C2 using our numerous cell-phones. I also agree that the US and Russia should be more friendly, but Putin will not allow that. I think it is funny that everyone always bad mouths Bush, when Putin is turing his nation back toward communism everyday
 
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AKS    RE:CHECHNYA FREEDOM FIGHTERS Vs RUSSIA   9/18/2005 5:33:41 PM
Wow reading this discussian made me get a heart attack. Guys I dont want to be rude, but most of you dont know what are you talking about. I dont blame you though since you are not from the region and I am, and if you dont mind let me give you a little historical background. When Russian Empire was conquering its mountanious neighbors, Chechens included, they were conquering MOSTLY land. Meaning that Chechens INgushs and Dagestaniis NEVER had an official country. They were fearce, mountanious people, mostly sheep herders. In 1850's Chechen resistance leader Imama Shamyl (hence modern Shamyl Basayev) gave a fearce resistance, but in the end was captured and told its people to not ever rise against Russia. In 1920's Soviets put the Ingush' and Chechens together to create Checheno Ingush autonomus (a republic within a Russian Federated Soviet Republic) republic. And in 1991 Chechen's voted for independence, BUT IT WAS NOT GRANTED, so claiming that Russia gave them independence twice is wrong, hence 1994 war. Reasons why Russia lost the first war: 1)Russia was in turmoil, I mean IT WAS BAAAAD then, beleive me I saw it with my own eyes. It was mainly bad since people misunderstood what democracy is, most felt that it ment FREE FOR ALL. 2)Thanks to FREE FOR ALL, people like Boris Berezovsky (now in exile in Britain) became uber powerful. During the first war he was on Boris Yeltsin's National Security Council, one of its duties was to advise WHAT TO DO IN CHECHNYA!!!, and also he was a media baron, he owned NTV TV station, and BASHED Russian troops and its actions in Chechnya (yes he played both sides, and made a KILLING over it) he also sold advanced weaponary, sometimes even Spetsnaz didnt have those guns, to the rebels. 3) All around corruption, worst than today, bougt generals etc. In 1996 Russia gave Chechnya (aka Ichkeria) its independence, almost immidiatly super islamic laws became the law of the land, SCHOOLS WERE CLOSED, and Chechnya became the prime drug truficking point in the region. In 1999 Ichkerian government decided that Russia's Federated Rep. of Dagestan should be part of their republic, and INVADED THE RUSSIAN TERITORY!!! Russia answered back by pushing them back and and entering Chechnya.
 
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AKS    RE:CHECHNYA FREEDOM FIGHTERS Vs RUSSIA   9/18/2005 5:43:12 PM
Chechens are harder to kill now since THEY ARE IN MOUNTAINS, and they come out "hunting" with small groups, they ar in a deep resistance mode. Yes Russian can do better, especially in the tighter checkpoint dept. but its is not easy to fight this war, especially when Chechens get resources and propagand help from West and from some Islamic states.
 
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AKS    TO RaptorZ   9/18/2005 5:48:35 PM
"I also agree that the US and Russia should be more friendly, but Putin will not allow that. I think it is funny that everyone always bad mouths Bush, when Putin is turing his nation back toward communism everyday" WHAT THE ARE YOU TALKIG ABOUT. How is Putin taking his country back to communism. Putting people WHO NEVER IN THEIR LIVES PAID TAXES, and STOLE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS FROM THE SATE in to jail is making him communist? DO you know what are you talking about. He is a social democrat at most, he wants ig business under full or partial gov controls and small and medium business ander private. Oh by the way US troops are not doing any better themselves in Iraq, so stop that "my unit can do better" crap, its insulting.
 
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mustavaris    RE:CHECHNYA FREEDOM FIGHTERS Vs RUSSIA   9/19/2005 12:30:44 AM
"Before I'd praise these Chechn rebels I just saw a special on the Falluja invasion. One of the first fire fights they came across in the documentary was against 6....yes 6 Chechens....what they doin in Iraq? BTW all of em died w/o the loss of any US soldiers...don't seem so impressive to get the jump on us and lose that bad ; )" Well. Those six probably got whipped in Chechnya and then fled to die elsewhere. No much respect for Chechens.. They lost my respect after the first Chechen war.
 
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