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Subject: Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children
Roman    9/1/2004 4:00:57 AM
These Muslim terrorists (I have no doubt it is them despite the fact that it has not been confirmed yet) are complete scum. From CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/09/01/russia.school/index.html Attackers seize Russian school Wednesday, September 1, 2004 Posted: 3:49 AM EDT (0749 GMT) A girl is hurried away from the scene. RELATED ? Moscow suicide bomber kills 9 ? Explosions led to Russia crashes YOUR E-MAIL ALERTS Chechnya (Russia) Russia or CREATE YOUR OWN Manage alerts | What is this? MOSCOW, Russia (CNN) -- Armed attackers have seized a school in a town in southern Russia, and Russia's ITAR-TASS news agency says about 400 people, including 200 children, are being held. The Interfax news agency, citing Ismel Shaov, a regional spokesman for the Federal Security Service, said there were 17 attackers, both male and female, and the gang included some who were wearing explosive belts. Wednesday's seizure took place on the first day of the Russian school year, in the town of Beslan in North Ossetia, Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said. Video of the scene from Russian Television showed Russian forces stationed near the school, some of them behind a tank, as the sound of gunfire could be heard. A young girl and an older woman were hurried to safety by the armed forces. Beslan is located 19 miles (30 km) north of Vladikavkaz in southern Russia, which borders the troubled Russian republic of Chechnya. The seizure of the school comes a day after a female suicide bomber killed nine people and herself, and wounded 51 others when she detonated a bomb outside a subway station in northeastern Moscow. (Full story) Authorities did not immediately say if the female bomber was Chechen. The bombing marked the second major terrorist attack on Russia in a week, following the near simultaneous attacks on two Russian airliners by what authorities believe were two Chechen women suicide bombers. Eighty-nine people died in the crashes. Female Chechen suicide bombers are known in Russia as "black widows." Authorities have said traces of the explosive hexogen were found in the wreckage of both planes. Hexogen, when mixed with nitroglycerin, forms a plastic explosive similar to C4 and has been used by Chechen rebels in attacks on Russian soil in the past. Chechen rebels -- who refused to take part in Chechen elections held Sunday and vowed to take their fight to Russian soil -- have denied responsibility. But many Russian politicians are already linking them to Tuesday's suicide bombing, calling it revenge for the elections in which a Kremlin-backed candidate won the presidency. Russian troops have battled separatist guerrillas in Chechnya since 1994. In October 2002, about 50 Chechen rebels seized a Moscow theater and took about 800 hostages. After a three-day siege, Russian forces stormed the building using gas, killing most of the rebels and 120 hostages.
 
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Big Bad Pariah    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children    9/1/2004 11:22:49 AM
This is a difficult situation especially since children are involved. The Chechen separatist leadership has denied involvement although it could be one of any number of muslim militant groups in the caucasus.
 
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Roman    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children    9/1/2004 6:09:37 PM
Yes, it is a difficult situation, but I have to correct you on one thing. You seem to be falling into the trap of BBC and CNN who persistently call these scum 'rebels', when terrorists is a much more appropriate word for them. This is a pet peeve of mine. Also, I am surprised that this situation is not generating more interest in the West. CNN does not even have it as its headline news and hardly anybody has posted about it here or in the terrorist forum. BTW: I think Russia needs to learn from the Israelis and indeed from the U.S. experiance in Iraq. After learning the identity of the terrorists and once the crisis is over it needs to go and destroy the property of family and clan members of these terrorists. Hell, I would even advocate taking their families hostage or assasinating them. Sure, not all of them have families, but do it with those who do.
 
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FJV    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children    9/1/2004 6:17:43 PM
Reminded me of a paragraph in a FMSO artticle: http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/fmsopubs/issues/shamil/shamil.htm "First, it must realize that this type of opponent cares nothing for the formal rules of war and is prepared to use any stratagem to further his objective. The notion that the battlefield is isolated and that fighting is restricted to those who wear uniforms is absurd to this enemy's way of thinking. Everything and everyone is fair game. A precision missile attack on an enemy city could result in the destruction of a friendly school or hospital.42 This type of enemy will search for any weakness, and then exploit it fully. The criminal mind cares little for the laws of war." I posted about this under: http://www.strategypage.com/messageboards/messages/47-1423.asp Next time I will think up a better title. PS I think we need to learn from the Russian experience. I have the feeling that eventually the Chechens will start terror attacks outside of Russia.
 
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cowboy caesar    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children    9/1/2004 8:27:00 PM
>These Muslim terrorists (I have no doubt it is them despite the fact that it has not been confirmed yet) are complete scum. < What I can't figure out is why there doesn't seem to be much of a sense of outrage inside Russia. This place (US) would be stirred up like a hornet's nest if we had those kinds of constant attacks. How many times are they going to get punched in the teeth before they get serious about fighting back?
 
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PlatypusMaximus    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children    9/1/2004 10:12:32 PM
the medias spin on this is liberally insane...figuratively and literally. it's like a bad nightmare. rebels sieze school...militants blahblah...even terrorist is too much of a blanket term. "russia under seige by islamic fascists" should be plastered on the front pages. bbc calls the kids "pupils" to avoid the loaded children word. they've lined the kids up in the windows to drive their poor parents insane. this is a story that affects every decent human on earth. every second of it should be followed by the entire world. i for one am more concerned for these poor kids than any hurricaine or convention. i hope we can stand together, crush these insects and exterminate them from our midst.
 
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Roman    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children    9/1/2004 10:27:52 PM
I agree with you 100% PlatypusMaximus!
 
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Roman    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children    9/1/2004 10:29:27 PM
"What I can't figure out is why there doesn't seem to be much of a sense of outrage inside Russia. This place (US) would be stirred up like a hornet's nest if we had those kinds of constant attacks. How many times are they going to get punched in the teeth before they get serious about fighting back?" Children are involved - hence they are trying to be as sensitive as possible. There is also the fact that the liberal media seem to be whitewashing the issue significantly more than they usually do.
 
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swhitebull    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children    9/1/2004 10:37:54 PM
...Yes, it is a difficult situation, but I have to correct you on one thing. You seem to be falling into the trap of BBC and CNN who persistently call these scum 'rebels', when terrorists is a much more appropriate word for them. This is a pet peeve of mine. .... No, that doesnt even go far enough. They are ISLAMIST terrorists, which the media REFUSES to say. swhitebull - calling a spade a spade. Clarity of language in this conflict is just as important in defining the enemy as in killing him.
 
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Roman    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children    9/2/2004 1:57:47 AM
Yes, they are indeed Islamic/Muslim terrorists that much is true. After 3 years (yes, there were such terrorist attacks before, but not of the same intensity/scale) of intensive terrorist attacks against the West (in which I include also Russia for the purpose of this statement) I am beginning to think that Islam and Western civilization simply cannot coexist peacefully in the same area. Moderate Muslims do exist, but I sincerely doubt that they are anywhere as large a group as the media would have us believe. Furthermore moderate is a relative term...
 
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Big Bad Pariah    RE:Terrorists Attack Russian School - Hold 400 Hostage Including 200 Children - Roman    9/2/2004 4:34:13 AM
"BTW: I think Russia needs to learn from the Israelis and indeed from the U.S. experiance in Iraq. After learning the identity of the terrorists and once the crisis is over it needs to go and destroy the property of family and clan members of these terrorists. Hell, I would even advocate taking their families hostage or assasinating them. Sure, not all of them have families, but do it with those who do." err...the Russian military has already bombed Grozny to the ground. Is that not extreme enough for you?
 
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