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SYSOP    11/28/2009 5:11:17 AM
 
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gf0012-aust       11/28/2009 6:19:13 AM
Other navies (Australia, Canada, Denmark, Sweden, Spain and Norway) allow women to serve on subs, but not all of these countries have had many, if any, women actually volunteer for the service.



every one of these countries is a volunteer service.  all the female submariners are volunteers.
 
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SSGT Kingston       11/28/2009 8:59:34 AM
What i believe the author is getting at is that while women are allowed to serve on subs in the navy's listed, few have actually done so.
 
Not saying that the listed navy's are conscript services.
 
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barnicalbill    Barnacle Bill   11/28/2009 4:09:20 PM
As a Retired Sailor, I believe this is a bad idea.
 
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rgause    Maybe if...   11/28/2009 4:10:51 PM
Maybe if the US navy tried to increase the female crew to up to 50% they wouldn't have any further problems attracting male submariners................... 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       11/28/2009 8:02:09 PM
I think the author is quite right ...
 
In the German Navy females serve since 2001 (and more than just "a few" -  already more than a hundered) on subs and there have been no problems.  Why should there be,  its not that much differend from a ship.  On the modern subs its even easier to seperate males and females because there is more space.
 
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sinoflex    Patrol Duration   11/29/2009 1:41:03 AM
One aspect that has not been raised is the duration of the sub patrols.  All the nations mentioned with female submariners have conventional subs.  Nuke patrols can last several months.  How long is the typical conventional sub patrol?  Women serving on carriers and other US naval vessels do get pregnant, no?  Is there anything in the psych profiles of submariners which would preclude them from succumbing to sexual entanglements or conflict arising from associated tensions?  Would the lack of privacy on submarines prevent these problems from arising? 
 
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gf0012-aust       11/29/2009 1:45:33 AM
All the nations mentioned with female submariners have conventional subs.  Nuke patrols can last several months.  How long is the typical conventional sub patrol?  
RAN subs were designed to do 60+ day patrols.  One has done a 6 month blue water duty cycle
 
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sinoflex       11/29/2009 1:54:48 AM

All the nations mentioned with female submariners have conventional subs.  Nuke patrols can last several months.  How long is the typical conventional sub patrol?  

RAN subs were designed to do 60+ day patrols.  One has done a 6 month blue water duty cycle


Thanks for the info.  Can I assume that these long duration patrols require some sort of underway replenishment including refueling? 
 
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Vigilis       11/29/2009 1:21:01 PM
There is little to compare between foreign, female crew members on non-nuclear subs patrolling for a  few weeks, and U.S. nuclear subs which do not return to home for months.  Aside from inevitable risks to a fetus from exposure to escaping rads, there is certainly a difference in mission intensity.  
 
Traditionally, qualified U.S. submariners bond as crews. Cohesion between members is based less on formalities of rank and more on performance abilities, such as removal of an unconscious crewman to safety. 
 
Injecting females into this environment will create a light-expectation bubbleheads who cannot be equally depended upon in emergencies requiring male strength.  It will entail specification of certain emergency duties to which some females cannot be assigned in emergencies. Yet, they take up more space (including their feminine supplies) than males.
 
The lawyer-driven agenda here, is not to increase equality for military females so much as to increase opportunities for litigation on their behalf at taxpayer expense.  Ending the DADT policy will have precisely the same effect.  Want to see  discrimination lawsuits in our Navy? Standby.
 
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ambush       11/29/2009 6:20:37 PM

One aspect that has not been raised is the duration of the sub patrols.  All the nations mentioned with female submariners have conventional subs.  Nuke patrols can last several months.  How long is the typical conventional sub patrol?  Women serving on carriers and other US naval vessels do get pregnant, no?  Is there anything in the psych profiles of submariners which would preclude them from succumbing to sexual entanglements or conflict arising from associated tensions?  Would the lack of privacy on submarines prevent these problems from arising? 

I will be waiting for the first time a boomer has to alter its patrol and  surface (revealing its location) in order to off load a pregnant crew member. 
Maybe sea duty for female crew meembers should mandate the pill or other form of contraception.
 
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