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Subject: The End Of An Era
SYSOP    10/6/2008 5:08:45 AM
 
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Camp       10/6/2008 10:35:40 AM
Also worth noting, the SRDRS's Pressurized Rescue Module System (PRMS) has a docking collar capable of rotating from 0 to 45 deg.
 
 
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newjarheadean    Hip Hip hoo ray!    10/6/2008 5:40:21 PM
AHOY, I always have to salute squids and tunnel rats! This tech is way over due. Why just store them on land (IMO at same locations as the pre-positioning fleets) they should be kept on old modified LA class subs ( they could just tow them if nothing else) stationed and or deployed near operational areas. Like the air recue squdrons etc.  How many subs are at risk at one time anyways. How could a company not build them on credit. G-day!   
 
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cwDeici       10/7/2008 3:15:37 AM
That would actually drastically decrease the mobility unless the sub carrying it (if possible) is real close and not the victim. 
These systems are intended to cover for the globe, not immediate operational areas. I don't know how rescue services work between Americans and other factions, but Europe is a smaller place where resources are more often shared (except the Russians tend to be too proud, though they're learning, bet it won't last though).
 
I'm half-Norwegian ^^, glad to see people are buying the system. 

 
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newjarheadean    cwDeici   10/7/2008 6:03:42 PM
AHOY, IMO there are not to many subs operating out side any operational areas. No military need to be in middle of Atlantic. They could do 30 mph 720 miles per day, over 2000 in three days, time mentioned for flying units out set up etc. The mod LA class could launch Tomahawks to race to the site for recon maybe even deliver emergency oxygen med supplies through torpedo tubes or other air locks. They should be treated like hospital ships a world cooperation effort, paint them white and put a red cross on the sail.G-day!
 
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gf0012-aust       10/8/2008 3:06:50 AM

 I don't know how rescue services work between Americans and other factions, but Europe is a smaller place where resources are more often shared (except the Russians tend to be too proud, though they're learning, bet it won't last though).


actually the americans run 2 major international events each year where everybody is invited, 1 in the nthn hemi and the other in the southern hemi - most recently included the indians with china sending observors.  There is also an international  "collar" used by countries so that recovery can be facilitated amongst all nations using DSRV's
 
in the most recent russian sub tragedies, it was the americans and the brits who offered initial rescue services. the russians however were still paranoid - and its considered that their sailors paid the price for the govts paranoia
 
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gf0012-aust       10/8/2008 3:09:57 AM

AHOY, IMO there are not to many subs operating out side any operational areas.
 
Not true.  Those that can - do.  Recent events in the pacific and even west africa reinforce that
 

No military need to be in middle of Atlantic.
 
No, not true.  Those that can do, and there are a number of navies trawling subs in the atlantic.

 
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newjarheadean    well all righty then   10/9/2008 4:04:59 PM
AHOY who are those capable besides the usual characters gfoo12-aust and what are there interest 1500 or 2000 or 4000 miles off of any mainland coast or outside the shipping lanes which would include in the patrol areas. Only ICBMs could even reach out to attack any targets and the SSBNs have always preferred to be close NO? G-day!
 
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gf0012-aust       10/9/2008 5:10:31 PM

AHOY who are those capable besides the usual characters gfoo12-aust and what are there interest 1500 or 2000 or 4000 miles off of any mainland coast or outside the shipping lanes which would include in the patrol areas. Only ICBMs could even reach out to attack any targets and the SSBNs have always preferred to be close NO? G-day!


there are two known examples of events that entered the public domain via USN Proceedings.  Am not prepared to discuss others.
 
the first were the North Koreans when they spooked a US TF off the west coast of africa.  NorKs in the Atlantic is a bit of a way outside their normal playpen
 
the second was during the Tsunami a few years back.  PLAN subs were hacking Indian Navy subs in the middle of the Indian Ocean.  The USN (by a slip of PR) let it be known that they were hacking the PLAN.
 
 there is a third (which is a regular event).  The PLAN have regularly put subs into the middle of the Pacific to hack events such as USN PACRIM or RAN TASMAN EX events.
 
there is a considered view that PLAN subs are testing the east coast of CONUS (much like the soviets decided to do after the Cuban Crisis) to see what sensors are up and how alert USN subs are outside of the territorials.
 
SSBN's don't need to come in close - but the closer they are the shorter the reaction time.  SSN's are there to hack the shad as well as their normal obligos.  The problem for the USN is that it's ability to "hack the shad" in the pacific will be a problem if they don't bump their numbers up. 
 
 
 
 
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newjarheadean    boys well be boys   10/10/2008 7:56:10 PM
AHOY, gfoo12-aust I appreciate your info. I would like to know who dropped the ball in keeping track of the location of the Nork it had to have refueled a couple of time somewhere and would have been photoed by satellites and spies I would think. But just to finalize my definition of patrol areas they would include any where north of the equator adjusted south 15 degrees in the Indian and north 15 degree in the Atlantic 30 degrees in the Pacific over to about 160 degress East. And cape horn and cape hope being gateways should be monitored. Anyone outside these areas would risk waiting longer for help. G-day!
 
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gf0012-aust       10/10/2008 8:28:50 PM

AHOY, gfoo12-aust define shad please and obligos is that short for obligations, thanks. G-day!


"hack the shad" refers to hacking/tailing a shadowing element
 
obligo = obligation
 
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