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Subject: Real maximum submarine speeds.
Dominicus    12/14/2005 2:10:22 AM
First off before I get grilled, I'm going on what my dad told me(16 year submariner). He says that the sturgeon class boats(the ones that preceded the Los Angeles class boats) had a top speed of about 30-35knots depending on the boat(he says his was a pokey boat and could only peak at about 32). He also served on Ohio class boats and said they could go about 30. It was also interesting to hear him describe the differences in how those to boats handle. He basically described the Bergall(which was a sturgeon class boat) as handling like a fighter. It banked VERY sharply when it turned, and often was able to outmanuver just about anything. The ohio class on the other hand handled like a beached whale in comparison, while nimble for a boat of it's size, it couldn't manuever for crap compared to a smaller attack boat. His best guesses on the true max speeds of other boats are as follows. Los Angeles Class - Approximately 35-40 knots depending on the boat(some are just considerably faster then others). Seawolf- 40-45 knots. He knows from talking to his sub friends that the seawolf is the race car of ocean going vessels. Virginia- 35-40 knots. He figures that they probably toned this boat down a bit to keep the costs down, since in 99% of circumstances subs are creeping around and not trying to get from A to B in the absolute fastest times. So he figured that the propulsion system would probably not be as powerful as seawolf and hence would likely result in a somewhat slower vehicle(but not slow by anymeans). I'm curious what gf0012 has to say on this. I know he has a lot of knowledge about diesel boats and it would be interesting to find out how an electric behaves underwater(speed wise and how long it can be sustained).
 
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Nichevo    RE:Real maximum submarine speeds. F&D, you should smoke a better quality of crack   12/16/2005 11:29:59 AM
Boo hoo, Tom Clancy didn't spread around the props? (as if; read Rainbow Six, for example) Did I miss where Ian Fleming went on at any length about the virtues of the American, French, German, etc, etc, secret services? You'd not think a snooty sense of superiority would be accompanied by such actual insecurity.
 
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fangbopp    RE:Tom   12/28/2005 10:14:43 AM
Well, Red October was a great read -- if factually weak. Still, as an outsider he made some very good guesses, and got a lot of lay people interested in submarines. Sure, a lot of the book and the movie was jazzed up, but taken as entertainment, it's pretty good. Same with "Crimson Tide", though every time I see the shot of the sailors running to general quarters amidst the clouds of steam, I always holler "Steam leak in the machinery space!!" Didn't you ever wonder why the Navy wouldn't let 'em photograph a real Trident submerging? I'm sure they read the script and then told the producers to go away.
 
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Shooter    RE:Real maximum submarine speeds.   12/28/2005 5:41:21 PM
Your Dad is pulling your leg. The mechanics/formuli are well known and in the public domain and the resulting speeds are also in the open if you look hard enough. In addition we have clocked their boats just as they have clocked ours and everyone is happy with the staus quoe and the numbers as they have been published in the various open literature. We have a vested interest in publisising their speed and down playing ours and they have the same interest too. We want to buy newer and bigger/faster boats to cope with their speedy types and they want to beat us even more, but the SQUARE/CUBE LAWS have us all against the wall and their is no majic oround the bend to change it. IE It whont get much faster than it is now!
 
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hbramstedt    HI.   12/22/2009 1:55:10 AM
I believe the speeds listed above for Seawolf and L.A. class are quite conservative.
 
I know that subs are the fastest in the fleet from many U.S. Navy personnel.
If they are faster than an nuclear carrier, the speeds are
higher than those listed.  Nuclear carriers from my info. probably are
capable of 45 knots easily.  Modern day commercial container freighters can hit
40 knots in some cases.  My guess on some subs would be well in excess of
50 knots.  We know the Alpha Class was about 44 knots or so, and the
Akula Class is faster, so 50+ knot sub speed is not unthinkable.
 
 
 
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