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Subject: Torpedoes without subs.
EW3    5/15/2005 1:11:15 PM
Just a thought, thinking of Taiwan or Egypt, but it would apply to other countries as well. What if you planted large torpedoes like the MK48 ADCAP on the sea bed, and connected them to shore for power and control. Put them a few miles off the coast, particularly around major ports. When under attack fire them, and use wire control to guide them to selected targets. If done properly the could blend into the sea floor. Sort of like the CAPTOR mine, but under shore control and bigger. Being off the coast, and having decent range you could take ships out 15+ miles from a coast. Further in, at the entrance of the harbor you could do the same thing but with smaller torpedoes (MK46?) Don't need tha range, and it could be used to block a harbor entrance. Opinions? Sure is cheaper than a billion dollar sub.
 
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gf0012-aust       6/10/2009 4:40:15 AM



300 ft is beyond the range of recreational scuba, but within the limits of technical diving, and no problem at all for a saturation diver or a hard suit.  Needless to say, an ROV can be used at any depth you can deploy the weapon at.

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The power and communication umbilical will be fairly large, probably over 4" in diameter depending on length and power requirements.  Concealing it as it from either divers or side scan sonar as it crosses the seabed will be very difficult, unless the body is soft and the sedimentation rate high.
 
umbilicals for sonar arrays are also quite expensive as well as large due to design issues (neutral buoyancy etc...) so they need a substantial support system to even deploy them without breaking them.  you'd be surprised at how many umbilicals get "broken"

its why the US is pushing for wireless arrays and have been pushing for wireless USV's.  there is the potential for a wireless hive of USV's to be organic arrays per se.

interesting times are ahead for UDT in the next 20 years.... 
 
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ens. jack    Another delayed response.   11/1/2009 10:20:03 AM
What about having a small crew, maybe a half dozen or so men aboard to operate the fire control systems? The umbilical wouldn't be needed, if R.o.E's were put in place, as well as an elf set up for changing situations ashore. Granted, it would require a larger set up, probably about 4 times the initial volume, but it is now semi-independent from shore.Cost goes up a lot, because of manpower issues, not to mention swapping out crews every month or so. Meh, probably a bad idea, but just a thought.
 
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WarNerd       11/2/2009 4:59:11 AM

What about having a small crew, maybe a half dozen or so men aboard to operate the fire control systems? The umbilical wouldn't be needed, if R.o.E's were put in place, as well as an elf set up for changing situations ashore. Granted, it would require a larger set up, probably about 4 times the initial volume, but it is now semi-independent from shore.Cost goes up a lot, because of manpower issues, not to mention swapping out crews every month or so. Meh, probably a bad idea, but just a thought.

You still need the umbilical to supply targeting information and authorization.
 
Also, you not only have to swap crews, but resupply (including fresh water), refuel, and remove wastes.  And all that has to be carried out without compromising the location of the launch station.  It would be simpler to just build more subs.
 
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