Military History
|
How To Make War
|
Wars Around the World
Rules of Use
How to Behave on an Internet Forum
Syria
Discussion Board
Return to Topic Page
Subject:
Hope Springs Eternal
SYSOP
4/24/2014 5:09:32 AM
Quote
Reply
Show Only Poster Name and Title
Newest to Oldest
Robert Walther
Robert Walther
4/24/2014 8:00:12 AM
I know that it is a combination of wishful thinking, myopia and misunderstanding on my part; but the apparent reality of Muslim fanatics killing each other over tribal, personal and unfathomable(to me) variations of Islam seems to be the only way to stop these 'people'. I have made a tiny effort to decipher Islamic sects (Shi'a, Sunni, Sufism, etc), but I am afraid that Catholic school training, including five years in Seminary school plus a year of Jesuit college has rendered my religious tolerance to zero.
I think I understand the concept that the first generations of followers of Mohammed were controlled by sons, grandsons, sons-in-law, etc. These Mohammed relatives were concerned primarily with and very successful at killing each other(and millions of non-believers) for money, power and holy truth. This is a very Christian concept and European history is bloodied by 1800 years of examples. Overly simplistic but 'Christians' have pretty much stopped exterminating each other in the name(excuse) of their common religion.
In the last decade the US government (we can also thank the blind hatred that some media has for anything American) seems to have learned that the only popular, not to mention effective, way to battle Islamic fanatics is to allow them small arms and turn them loose on each other.
To repeat, I know that I must be missing something due to my inherent 'bias'. No, let's be honest, due to my rabid hatred of Islamic fanatics and the threat they pose to not just civilization, but life itself. We are all just patiently waiting for the inevitable. There is little doubt that Pakistan and next Iran will eventually use nuclear weapons. Hopefully against each other, but I am a optimist. Should this MAD event occur, the good news is that either or both of these countries will cease to exist, as military entities at least. The 'bad' news is essentially infinite. We have fifty years of both fact and media hysteria about the USSR, if you need research.
In the meantime, there is nothing that the US can do militarily to 'help' these rabid psychotics. Send them food and medicine, if they stop killing the doctors. Allow them nothing that can be used as a weapon against America - Nothing!
Quote
Reply
Flyingarty2
Muslims
4/24/2014 3:31:59 PM
I think I understand the concept that the first generations of followers of Mohammed were controlled by sons, grandsons, sons-in-law, etc. These Mohammed relatives were concerned primarily with and very successful at killing each other(and millions of non-believers) for money, power and holy truth. This is a very Christian concept and European history is bloodied by 1800 years of examples. Overly simplistic but 'Christians' have pretty much stopped exterminating each other in the name(excuse) of their common religion.
In the last decade the US government (we can also thank the blind hatred that some media has for anything American) seems to have learned that the only popular, not to mention effective, way to battle Islamic fanatics is to allow them small arms and turn them loose on each other.
To repeat, I know that I must be missing something due to my inherent 'bias'. No, let's be honest, due to my rabid hatred of Islamic fanatics and the threat they pose to not just civilization, but life itself. We are all just patiently waiting for the inevitable. There is little doubt that Pakistan and next Iran will eventually use nuclear weapons. Hopefully against each other, but I am a optimist. Should this MAD event occur, the good news is that either or both of these countries will cease to exist, as military entities at least. The 'bad' news is essentially infinite. We have fifty years of both fact and media hysteria about the USSR, if you need research.
In the meantime, there is nothing that the US can do militarily to 'help' these rabid psychotics. Send them food and medicine, if they stop killing the doctors. Allow them nothing that can be used as a weapon against America - Nothing!
Just think of them as Orcs.....
Flyingarty
Quote
Reply
Crass Spektakel
Misconception
4/25/2014 12:03:59 AM
There is a wide spread misconception in the western world about "what" the islamic world wants. EG Syrian fighters (not civilians) have been indoctinated for decades how bad the west is so most syrians do NOT prefer western life style over Rule of Assad and Rule of Religious Hardliners. As usual, trueth comes after knowledge.
Reminds me of the bugs bunny episode where Elmer says "sure I get beat every day and eat garbage but I was told this is the best possible live people can have".
Quote
Reply
FlamesInTheDesert
4/25/2014 1:55:26 AM
I think I understand the concept that the first generations of followers of Mohammed were controlled by sons, grandsons, sons-in-law, etc. These Mohammed relatives were concerned primarily with and very successful at killing each other(and millions of non-believers) for money, power and holy truth. This is a very Christian concept and European history is bloodied by 1800 years of examples. Overly simplistic but 'Christians' have pretty much stopped exterminating each other in the name(excuse) of their common religion.
In the last decade the US government (we can also thank the blind hatred that some media has for anything American) seems to have learned that the only popular, not to mention effective, way to battle Islamic fanatics is to allow them small arms and turn them loose on each other.
To repeat, I know that I must be missing something due to my inherent 'bias'. No, let's be honest, due to my rabid hatred of Islamic fanatics and the threat they pose to not just civilization, but life itself. We are all just patiently waiting for the inevitable. There is little doubt that Pakistan and next Iran will eventually use nuclear weapons. Hopefully against each other, but I am a optimist. Should this MAD event occur, the good news is that either or both of these countries will cease to exist, as military entities at least. The 'bad' news is essentially infinite. We have fifty years of both fact and media hysteria about the USSR, if you need research.
In the meantime, there is nothing that the US can do militarily to 'help' these rabid psychotics. Send them food and medicine, if they stop killing the doctors. Allow them nothing that can be used as a weapon against America - Nothing!
At least you`re honest in your ignorance,bigotry and prejudice,tho` it is kind of ironic that those years of religious schooling did not apparently teach you any of the christian virtues
If you want better relations with the islamic world then the first thing you need to do is stop lecturing it about democracy while at the same time propping up the corrupt and despotic arab regimes like the house of saud,ironically these are also the same people who are exporting those head chopping wahabist terrorists all over the place.I know this might be hard to understand but not every muslim is a wahabist,hell not even every sunni is a wahabist just like not every christian is a branch davidian or children of god member or every catholic priest a paedophile
Quote
Reply
Robert Walther
Robert Walther
4/25/2014 9:32:35 AM
My apologies to 'Flames'. I was trained and indoctrinated by fanatic Catholics(Christians). No matter how many Hospitals and charities Christians build, the bottom line is that Christianity, like Judaism and Islam, is based on unending, bizarre and unnecessary lies. My point was that I am NOT a christian, by means of extensive un-training. The Romans had a society, at least as beneficial as Europe circa 400-1825AD, and certainly more positive than any Islamic culture, without the rabid horror of religious fanaticism. I do not think I have ever seen or even read about a 'democracy' on this planet. I certainly did not bring up such a sci-fi term in my futile comment.
One additional waste of our time. Islamic religious populations arose among the survivors of jihad massacre converted at the point of sword. Sounds like early Christianity....If a Muslim cult rose to conquer, let's say Europe, after first executing 50%+/- of the entire population, the vast majority of survivors would convert, at least publicly. That is called 'common sense'. If these same hypothetical jihadist fanatics take over, the vast majority of Muslim 'faithful' will support such an event. Support would be the only way to survive, not mention the economic superiority and social control over the non-believers or even the less fanatic.
Religious control over political and military forces is 'insane' - definition attributed, inter alia, to Albert Einstein: "Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result". This 'explanation' is as useless as it unresolvable. The saddest part of a group like 'al-qaeda' (chose your spelling and rabid sub-cult) lies in their glaring and totally wrong belief that their fanatic belief system will protect them from American power. Christians like to preach, forgive and forget. The American military has a different agenda, 'Never forgive, never forget'.
Peace Love and Revolution
Not necessarily in that order
Quote
Reply
Latest
News
Most
Read
Most
Commented
Hot
Topics
LEADERSHIP: Russia’s Wartime Economic Crisis
PROCUREMENT: Turkish Armaments Industry Takes Flight
PROCUREMENT: Crowdfunding for Sea Baby UUVs
ELECTRONIC WEAPONS: Risks of Going All Wireless
AIR DEFENSE: New Iranian Air and Coast Defense Systems
FORCES: Russia’s Conscription Crisis
PROCUREMENT: Italy Rearms
SEA TRANSPORTATION: The Yemen War on the Suez Canal
PROCUREMENT: Russian Resources Diminished in Ukraine
ELECTRONIC WEAPONS: Electronic Weapons: Russian Botnets on the Offensive
PROCUREMENT: Russian Resources Diminished in Ukraine
ELECTRONIC WEAPONS: Russian Botnets on the Offensive
COUNTER-TERRORISM: No One Expects The Fatemiyoun Brigade
SURFACE FORCES : Expanding Iranian Navy
AIR TRANSPORTATION: Israeli Airliner Runs into Red Sea Problems
INDIA-PAKISTAN: India-Pakistan February 2024
PROCUREMENT: Countries Closer to Russia Spend More on Defense
CHINA: China February 2024
ATTRITION: Russia Loses Another A-50U AWACS
FORCES: Russian Army Kidnapping Foreigners to be Soldiers
INFANTRY: Russia’s Foreign Legion
LEADERSHIP: Russia’s Expensive War in Ukraine
ARTILLERY: North Korean Budget Ballistic Missiles
SPACE: Dependable Expendable Space Satellites
WEAPONS: DevDroid Enhanced Weapons
ELECTRONIC WEAPONS: AI Powered Diagnostics
ELECTRONIC WEAPONS: MagNav Can Now Replace GPS
INTELLIGENCE: Cold War American Tactics Return
ATTRITION: Two Years of Russian Losses in Ukraine
ELECTRONIC WEAPONS: The Dark Side of AI
Subscribe to Our RSS Feed
Armor: Evolution of Tank Warfare in Ukraine
Weapons: Putting a Spike in North Korean Aggression
Air Weapons: The Ukraine Unmanned Systems Force
Surface Forces: Ada Class Corvettes
Procurement: The Russian Smuggling Industry
Electronic Weapons: Norway Again Attacked by Russian Jamming
WARS Afghanistan: Afghanistan March 2024
Armor: Evolution of Tank Warfare in Ukraine
Attrition: Patterns of American Combat Casualties
Naval Air: Cruise Missile Pretenders
Murphy's Law: China Harasses Foreign Investment it Encouraged
Surface Forces: Unmanned LUSV Ships at Sea
Procurement: Russian Demand and North Korean Arms Production
Warplanes: F22 Gets an End Date
Artillery: More Truck Mounted Artillery for Ukraine
Air Defense: Russian Air Defense Tries Something New
AIR WEAPONS: The Ukraine Unmanned Systems Force
WEAPONS: Putting a Spike in North Korean Aggression
SURFACE FORCES : Unmanned LUSV Ships at Sea
SPACE: Russian Roscosmos Retreating
INTELLIGENCE: Americans Use AI to Plan Airstrikes
ELECTRONIC WEAPONS: Norway Again Attacked by Russian Jamming
ATTRITION: Patterns of American Combat Casualties
AFGHANISTAN: Afghanistan March 2024
PROCUREMENT: The Russian Smuggling Industry
PROCUREMENT: The Russian Smuggling Industry
WEAPONS: Putting a Spike in North Korean Aggression
AIR WEAPONS: The Ukraine Unmanned Systems Force
AIR WEAPONS: The Ukraine Unmanned Systems Force
ARMOR: Evolution of Tank Warfare in Ukraine
SURFACE FORCES : Ada Class Corvettes
ARMOR: Evolution of Tank Warfare in Ukraine
ARMOR: Evolution of Tank Warfare in Ukraine
ARMOR: Evolution of Tank Warfare in Ukraine
ARMOR: Evolution of Tank Warfare in Ukraine
ARTILLERY: Fire Weaver and Long Spike
News
How To Make War
Wars Around The World
Austin Bay's On Point
StrategyTalk
Dirty Little Secrets
Features
Al Nofi's CIC
Videos
Photos
Jokes
Community
Military Discussion Boards
Military Jokes
Military Photos
Military Book Reviews
StrategyPage
Account Manager
Login
Feedback
About Us
Search
Advertise With Us
Search