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capitalist72 RE:excuse me but did anybody here 1/11/2004 6:50:29 PM

"think for a second , that one of the reasons we are in Iraq is too infleunce Saudi Arabia?" I really hope so. The Kuwaitis are equally guilty, just on a smaller scale - very little difference between them and the Saudis. "My favorite scenario: US forces help squash a religious revolution by the Wahabis. Then US forces stabilize the govt by purging "terrorist influences"." I'd sign up to ride a tank into Riyadh for sure....have plenty of experience with Saudis/Kuwaitis. I'm not given to prejudice and generalisations usually, but unfortunately I'm compelled, against my logical thought process, feel that Kuwaitis and Saudis are genuinely evil people.

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SGTObvious It's odd, but there is a place I agree with expat. 1/11/2004 7:05:53 PM

We WILL have to take down the source of the evil, sooner or later. We differ in that I beleive taking out Iraq first greatly shifts the balance of power vs the Saudis in our favor. Consider, the Saudis have only 3 strategic cards to play: 1. Oil. We have Iraq back on the market, so the Saudi embargo threat isn't what it used to be. 2. Bases. We gave them up voluntarily- and the significance of this is not lost on Riyadh. We RARELY withdraw bases without being asked. This was a way of saying "We don't need anything you have to offer". We will have much better based in Iraq. 3. The "Arab Street will boil over in Anger" card. Good One, but its been played too much. Way too much. I suppose, if we attack Saudi Arabia, Arabs will go from Really, Really, Really Hating the USA to Really, Really, Really, Really hating the USA. I am unimpressed.

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SGTObvious Ideological vs military victory 1/11/2004 7:16:06 PM

Yes, it would have been easier to defeat Saudi Arabi than Iraq. The potential value in Iraq, though, is a major Arab population that, in a generation or two, might take on genuinely western values. Short of genocide, this is the only way we can win against the Jehad philosophy in the long run- ideological victory is the only real victory.

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Final Historian RE:Ideological vs military victory 1/11/2004 10:04:18 PM

Creating and sustaining a counter-reform movement to Wahhabism is the only way of turning the odds in Saudi Arabia into our favor. Until there is a logical alternative to theocracy in the minds of the people of SA, the problem will not be fixed, war or not.

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Savant RE:excuse me but did anybody here 12/5/2004 7:28:46 PM

I like your way of thinking ex-pat....

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Savant RE:Vulture, your forgetting one thing.... 12/5/2004 7:33:31 PM

Who cares if they are mad and want jihad after we take the eastern oil fields. Let em keep Mecca, Medina, Jeddah and Riyad. Without the oil thier, their jihad funding is gone.

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Savant RE:excuse me but did anybody here 12/5/2004 7:41:20 PM

"My favorite scenario: US forces help squash a religious revolution by the Wahabis. Then US forces stabilize the govt by purging "terrorist influences"." Numer one problem is the House of Saud isnt worth the trouble. Let the Wahhabis have at em for all I care. Plus, your never going to purge terrorist/jihadist thinking. Anywhere or anytime. It is a belief... you can never "rid" it for good. The next best thing you can do though is take away the jihadist funding, and that is the oil. Cut off the head, and the body will die....

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Savant RE:excuse me but did anybody here 12/5/2004 8:06:59 PM

almost forgot....before taking the oil patch you better have Red Adair and Coots and Boots standing by to put out the resulting fires and well heads being destroyed. I had many an oil patch worker tell me those rigs are wired with explosives. Anybody ever tries to take them and the king pushes the little red button. Blammo, say goodbye to the wells.... Sort of like his own little weapon and detterent.

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