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Subject: Have you beaten your wife today? Go Saudis!
swhitebull    9/15/2003 6:39:29 PM
Another juicy tidbit from memri: link Defending Muslim Women from Beatings swhitebull
 
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Crusader    WMD-More Sane Delusions    10/23/2003 7:12:14 PM
>>Just remember, everyone: only one country has ever used WMD against the people of another. Yes, you guessed it, the United States of America.<< Are you stoned or stupid? Growing up I knew an older man who could barely speak, due to mustard gas that was spayed on him by...the USA? No, Germany during WW I. And what of Iraq gassing the Iranians? Need I give more examples? >>I am not a narrow-minded person.<< I'd say your inane comments above sorta rule this statement out. Before you try to make a point, try to know a little bit about what you are trying to say.
 
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Final Historian    RE:WMD-More Sane Delusions    10/23/2003 7:38:19 PM
Please Sane, don't make me laugh. WMD? USA? Don't make me list the number of nations that have used Chemical warfare. The Japanese practiced bio-warfare in China during WW2. As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki, well, personally, I would have attacked a military target. Both were attacked because they were virgin targets. We wanted to get a true picture of the damage they would cause. For us, for the Japanese, and for the Russians. Right? Most likely not, but again, your belief in moral relativism doesn't give you much reason to criticize. But the reason for the massive US arsenal is not because we want to take over the world. Far from it. We have that massive arsenal because of the Soviet Union. And need I remind you we are currently downsizing it even now. Nukes are expensive, and we have more than we need. In 10 to 20 years, America's nuclear arsenal might be smaller than it was in the early 50's, or late 40's. Who knows.
 
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swhitebull    RE:Mr. Swhitebull   10/23/2003 9:26:59 PM
..But I do think you are willing to find some way or other to try and obscure the validity of my points.. Nothing to obscure, you've not shown anything to show how your points are valid, just kneejerk reactions. ..Like I said, there are plenty of questionnable proverbs in the Bible. Thank goodness most are not taken too literally... Unfortunately, WOrshippers of Islam take the word of the Prophet and what is written in the QUran AS literal - that is the point of my original post .. Perhaps that is how you think you 'win' your debates: sheer argumentative overload... Excuse me, my questions to you are a compilation of all the questions from all the posts that you evaded, obfuscated, or redirected the question. That you dont have the capacity to answer a direct question is your failure, not the one who poses the question. Most people on these boards can chew gum and walk at the same time. Sorry you cant. ..certainly quantity over quality, .. If you say so, you're entitled to your opinion, the quality of which has been amply illustrated on here and other boards. We can leave the issue of the quality of my posts to the number of other posters here who find fault with the nature or logic of them. ..BTW, you never said anything about Mormons in Utah. ... I really dont see the need to respond to the issue of Mormons - its not the point of MY post, and I like to stay on topicwhich is WIFE BEATING AS EVIDENCED IN THE QURAN, and practiced by today's Muslims. Since you couldnt answer my questions, and decided to redirect from the topic by deflecting to other religious practices, I am under no obligation to respond to that. If you want to discuss Mormon religious practices, try starting a new thread on the Eternal Wars board, and see how many responses you get. ..My point was: your attacks were base, unqualified, and misconceived, not to mention malevolent. Again, not MY attacks - again you fail to read the article. ISLAMIC ATTACKS ON ISLAMIC PRACTICES. Why do you have such a hard time understanding this? Limited intellect? As regards to my motives? They are nothing but the highest, very qualified, since they come from the horse's mouth themselves as in Islamic scholars, very well conceived and to the point, and nothing if not of general benefit to the readers of these boards, since they serve the purpose of exposing Islamic religious law and cultural practices that need to be understood by the rest of we ignorant masses if we are to be able to get an understanding of the enemy that we face. swhitebull- try again, you just might make it into the Jr high school debate team at this rate. But somehow I dont think you will ever master the art of debating.
 
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American Kafir    RE:WMD   10/24/2003 2:29:46 PM
"Just remember, everyone: only one country has ever used WMD against the people of another." Aside from use of mustard gas between France and Germany in World War 1, the use of biological and chemical weapons by Japan on Korea and China in WW2, Egypt's use of chemical weapons in the Yemeni Civil War, and other examples easily found, your statement is true. In other words, if it wasn't false, it would be true.
 
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FJV    RE:Nuclear   10/25/2003 12:29:18 PM
Emotional bunk, not relevant for today and not on topic. Fire bombings of Japanese cities caused more civilian casualties. Makes me wonder if the way people are killed matters more than the number of people killed. The statement is also made without regard for reasons, context and prior events. The case has been made that invading Japan would cause more deaths than using 2 nukes (quite convincingly I might add).
 
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swhitebull    Rules of Use and the Laws of Density   10/26/2003 4:28:10 AM
You really are a Dolt, arent you ? The rules of Use in regards to Hatred are aimed at: "..White-Supremacist Posters ...ANY poster advocating or espousing hate positions or beliefs akin to the Nazis, Nazi-like organizations, or others of that ilk will see their posts NUKED as soon as possible, and the poster will be booted permanently. Such behavior will NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY WAY. There are Nazi and Hate websites catering to your distorted worldview - take your hatred there. Your welcome here will be short-lived... There is nothing in this part of the Rules of Use that prohibits, suggests or implies that illustrating the foibles of Islam, Saudi Arabia, or Arab customs or laws imply hatred espousing Nazi-like postions. That example deals with those who advocate White Supremacy positions, which are, by nature, anti-Semitic i.e. anti Jewish. , in regard to their attitude tone or nature. . Does not apply to exposing Islam as far as I am concerned. ..Swhitebull, you know you're just trying to stir the pot.. It seems that the ONLY pot being stirred is YOURS, and that doesn?t bother me at all. Seems like other posters here and on other threads usually agree with my posts. What I DO have is contempt for a religion ? Islam - that actively promotes racism by having the dhimmitude laws and customs in regards to their treatment of Jews or Christians within their society, even today, uses ethnic cleansing of other religions to purge their countries (specifically in the Arab countries) of other religions, has always forced assimilation of other religions by the sword (Persia is a great example, and how the Arabs and Islam destroyed the Zorastrian religion), has a superiority complex to compensate for its lack of a real basis to found a religion upon (the delusions of pedophile, rapist and treaty breaker such as Mohammed are reprehensible, as is the destruction of the pre-Islami vedic indian, moon goddess religion and the assimilation of the Kabaa meteorite into worship that was prevalent in Arabia), - and Islam?s history, laws and customs that confine its afherents to the Dark Ages. And I will actively post threads that show these things in the light of day. Why is that unclear to you? DO you have an inferior mind? If you dont like it, too damn bad. Take it up with the SysOps, who monitor these boards. Obviously, they disagree with you, as my posts on this subject havent been deleted. Can you say the same about yours? ..No one believes for a moment that there's anything humanitarian about the USA's war objectives. .. Again, you make broad generalizations that have no basis in fact. "No one" infers that everone doesnt believe, and I think you'll find that a majority of Americans DO believe in what we are trying to accomplish in Iraq has a higher purpose. It's only people like yourself that takes this position. And frankly, we really dont CARE what you guys think. SO please stop making false statements about NO ONE, and confine your sweeping assertions to idiots like yourself. swhitebull- we have enough problems with our OWN domestinc idiots as it is.
 
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swhitebull    RE:Rules of Use and the Laws of Density   10/26/2003 8:42:15 AM
..White-Supremacist Posters ...ANY poster advocating or espousing hate positions or beliefs akin to the Nazis, Nazi-like organizations, or others of that ilk will see their posts NUKED as soon as possible, and the poster will be booted permanently. Such behavior will NOT BE TOLERATED IN ANY WAY. There are Nazi and Hate websites catering to your distorted worldview - take your hatred there. Your welcome here will be short-lived... Again, your ability to selectively parse words from something that is so clear continues to amaze me. Believe all you want, this is an AMERICAN website, using AMERICAN words and contexts, not what YOU and your european types think or say. The paragraph that you selectively parse is CLEARLY aimed at neo-Nazi, White Supremacy skinheads who clearly have an anti-Semitic agenda, and although they also target Africa-Americans and other ethnic groups, the pararaph aims at no tolerance at those who bash Jews. Now why is that so unclear to you? Is your analysis of this paragraph as succinct as it was of Resolution 242 and the use of the French word >>des
 
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swhitebull    RE:White-supremacy, nuked threads, and fairness   10/26/2003 8:58:31 AM
..Racism and racist dogma should not be tolerated PERIOD. . Assuming that all of the crap that comes out of the Arab world aimed at the jews isnt racist? You are absolutely correct. Racism and racist or religious dogma should NEVER be tolerated. BUT pointing out facts about the Quran, Islamic customs and Islamic law from their own writings is in no way "racist", or racist dogma; it is accurate, based on their writings and teachings, and if it portrays Islam in a light less than Islam dogmatics and fanatics would like to be seen, too bad. Take it up with the management. It's not racist or biased or prejudiced to criticize or point out the foibles orshortcomings of a group- especially when that religion in its OWN writings attests to their supremacy over all other religions, promotes wife beatings, stonings, amputations, beheadings, dhimmitude, cleanese their "territories" of infidels and prohibits other religions from becoming citizens, to practice their religion, etc. swhitebull - Again, if you dont like it on these boards, you are most welcome to take a hike and go elsewhere. And dont let the door hit you on your rear on the way out.
 
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swhitebull    Just more food for thought - it just isn't Saudi Arabia anymore - as if it ever was   1/14/2004 9:39:43 PM
Jan. 14, 2004 Muslim Cleric encourages violence against women By ASSOCIATED PRESS MADRID, Spain A Muslim cleric who wrote a book advising men how to beat their wives without leaving marks was sentenced to a year and three months suspended sentance Wednesday. Mohamed Kamal Mustafa, imam at the mosque in the southern town of Fuengirola, incited violence against women. Arguing that he was interpreting passages of the Quran, defense attorney Jose Luis Bravo described the sentence as "unfair and a result of media pressure over the case." In his book "Women in Islam," published three years ago, Mustafa wrote that verbal warnings followed by a period of sexual inactivity can be used to discipline a disobedient wife. "The blows should be concentrated on the hands and feet using a rod that is thin and light so that it does not leave scars or bruises on the body," Kamal wrote, according to the private news agency Europa Press. The book enraged about 90 women's groups who in July 2000 filed a lawsuit in a Barcelona court to have the book withdrawn. They invoked a Spanish law that protects women from discrimination in the home and workplace. As a result of the court action, Mustafa's book was removed from Islamic cultural centers in Spain. Some 3,000 copies of the book had been distributed freely throughout the country swhitebull - why am I not surprised
 
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swhitebull    More on the Wife-Beating Imam - Expelled from France   4/20/2004 6:41:55 PM
His punishment? To run a gantlet (that IS the word - Gauntlet is used incorrectly - check out the legend of Daniel Boone!) of all his wives, a la the way Daniel Boone did it against the Native american tribe !) from CBSnews.com link France To Boot Wife-Beat Imam PARIS, April, 20, 2004 In its effort to fight the spread of Muslim fundamentalism, France has been cracking down on imams who preach violence or values that run counter to the mainstream. (AP) An Algerian-born Muslim cleric who said wife-beating was justified in cases of adultery has been detained and will be expelled from France, the Interior Ministry said Tuesday. The announcement about Chirane Abdelkader Bouziane, an imam in the Lyon suburb of Venissieux, came after France deported another Algerian-born imam who was accused of preaching radical Islam. Bouziane was detained hours after Justice Minister Dominique Perben said he may have to answer for his remarks. "The government cannot tolerate remarks in public that are contrary to human rights, detrimental to human dignity and in particular to the dignity of women, (or) calls of hate, violence or defense of terrorism," the ministry said in a statement. In the April edition of the magazine Lyon Mag, Bouziane said he favors wife-beating "under certain conditions, notably if the woman cheats on her husband." He claimed the Quran, the Muslim holy book, authorizes such punishment ? an interpretation rejected by moderate Muslims. Bouziane also said a woman should not work alongside a man because "she could be tempted by adultery," according to Lyon Mag. In its effort to fight the spread of Muslim fundamentalism, France has been cracking down on imams who preach violence or values that run counter to the mainstream. On Thursday, France deported Algerian-born imam Abdelkader Yahia Cherif for allegedly preaching radical Islam at a mosque in the Atlantic coastal city of Brest. The Interior Ministry said he gave a sermon last month that urged jihad, or holy war, and expressed support for the March 11 railway bombings in Madrid, Spain, that killed 191 people. The Interior Ministry statement said Bouziane had been placed on an expulsion list on Feb. 26 for disturbing public order and that officials had now decided to speed up the case, the ministry said. Also this year, France passed a law passed a ban on Islamic head scarves in public schools despite protests at home and abroad that it was discriminatory. President Jacques Chirac said the law was needed to protect the principle of separation of church and state to stop the spread of Muslim fundamentalism in France. The law forbids religious apparel and signs that "conspicuously show" a student's religious affiliation ? Jewish skullcaps and large Christian crosses. However, authorities made clear it was aimed at removing Islamic head scarves from classrooms. Debate over head scarves divided France since 1989, when two young girls were expelled from their school in Creil, outside Paris, for wearing the head coverings. swhitebull - what can I say? poetic justice, I guess. Les francais? Il y'a tous pissant! And about time. Death to Smoochie!
 
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