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Subject: Friend or Foe?
Robert996@excite.com    12/1/2001 1:06:47 AM
How much longer do you think the US will consider S.A. a friend? They certainly have not been acting much like an ally lately (ie funding terrorism(indirectly, but money is money), not cooperating in cutting off terrorist assets, refusing to allow US Strike aircraft to use their airspace, etc. etc.).
 
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Sipo    RE:Friend or Foe?   12/1/2001 1:25:39 AM
Well they actually gave in on some support planes from Prince Sultan, but I think that they will likly pay a price in the future. Althought we don't take long term future perspectives, we do have long memories of those that offend.
 
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FalloutBoy    RE:Friend or Foe?   12/1/2001 10:03:54 AM
If we really wanted to end terrorism, we would have to destroy S.A., that is the only way to stop the funding and education of terrorists.
 
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Pakistani    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE   12/2/2001 9:05:56 AM
Dont Blame Islam. Blame Wahabbism , a corrupt and violent sect of Islam which is , after oil, S.A. most popular export. Something needs to be done about this posion before it spreads to the rest of the muslim world. They mistranlsate the Quran and add words in ( ) to suit their message. The masses cant tell.
 
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Ike    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE   12/4/2001 8:21:11 AM
When I read that the Saudi Govt flew OBLs relatives out of the US on 9-11, before they could be questioned by authorities, they became a Foe in my eyes.
 
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pfd    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE   1/2/2002 12:07:44 PM
Clarification-the FBI (rightly) gave them a clean bill of health. Saudi playboys (playmates) have never been a threat to national security. Good overspenders are always welcome. Switching from callous mode, they must be suffering horribly by seeing the family name dragged through a shitstorm. I will never know what it must be like to have a massive international business with all of it's arcane nuances shattered overnight because the family name is linked to planetary criminal #1. The family had no interest in harming the USA or any other nation. They built things not broke them.
 
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evlstu    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE   1/3/2002 2:25:57 AM
Maybe, but they (OBL's family) still helped he out when he started killing people.
 
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pakistani    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE 100% a foe of all   1/3/2002 2:53:54 AM
Look people... who funds mardarssas in pakistan? we cant afford education anyway... its all from saudia arabia... stop the flow of funds. Who supports radical islam? Not Pakistan... we are relitively moderate. Imagine if Agfanistan wer next to saudia arabia without american forces there... or if the saudis were nuclear... These people are the same as the taliban. Same mentality. The world must change them or they will change the world (for the worst)
 
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pfd    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE 100% a foe of all   1/5/2002 1:55:20 AM
I agree. A lot of the money has to come from somewhere. It would be nice to be able to sort the voluntary funds from the extortionary ones. The PLO ran a stongarm ring in Saudi Arabia for decades. I'm sure that the practice has been taken over by worse. I would be amazed if even 5% of the cash trail is known by the current government-if a bunch of corrupt bench sitters can be called that.
 
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pakistani    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE 100% a foe of all   1/5/2002 1:58:41 AM
Furthermore... understand this... you cannot tackel islamic extremism without tackeling wahabism.
 
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Jeff from Michigan    To Pakistani - good point   1/7/2002 3:30:31 PM
Good point about tackling Wahabism. Many people don't understand that Islam has many variants which Wahabism is one. I was pretty suprised to read that this sect has pretty much destroyed all the tombs of early saints because it was too much like idol worship. The bad thing is that this sect is so closely tied to the royal family. Reading the press it appears to me that the royal family would like to disassociate themselves from the Wahabi's except this alliance is one of the primary reasons they use for their legitimacy.
 
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Robert996@excite.com    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE 100% a foe of all   1/7/2002 7:13:21 PM
I think its interesting that you differentiate between voluntary and extortionate funds. To me there is very little difference. The Saudis have a responsibility to deny funds to terrorists. Even if it meant that they would come under terrorists attacks by extremists. They have a responsibility not to feed that particular animal. Appeasement never works. If you don't believe me I can site many, MANY examples. As far as I can ascertain, the Saudis have not done anything of any significance to help us fight the war on terror and have actually hamstrung us over some requests. Most terrorism is directly or indirectly Saudi Arabian in origin.
 
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pfd    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE 100% a foe of all   1/9/2002 10:34:30 AM
The difference between voluntary and involuntary is manifest. If the infastructure is not in place to protect the individual from involuntary extortion then you should condemn the government and not the individual that places his families lives above principle. Those that give willingly to an immoral cause are usually ignorant. Those who are coerced are generally very well aware of the consequences.
 
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Radioactive Man    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE 100% a foe of all   1/9/2002 1:32:22 PM
Pfd, you are applying our values to another nation, many of the Saudis are well aware of where their money is going, and actively support the action of the terror groups. In their view the terrorism is not immoral, but justified actions of great heroes. They hate the United States and what we stand for, and no amount of education will change that.
 
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pfd    RE:Friend or Foe? FOE 100% a foe of all   1/11/2002 7:15:50 PM
These are universal feelings. Humanity and all that baggage. I think you just want to give a laser beam focus on your opinions yet are diffusing the origional statement. There are very grey areas in the world. En facine they may come to specific ends but in origin they point to vastly different problems. A millionare being shook down in Saudi IS different than a group of drunks in Boston coughing up cash for the cause so they can show up again at the same bar next Saturday night. As to the last-was a witness.
 
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Pakistani    RE:To Pakistani - good point   1/12/2002 1:56:59 AM
I suggest the rotyal family be taken out by force and a Mulitnatianl Islamic army placed in charge of the Holy sites. The rest of Arabia... wabahism should be uprooted and destroyed.
 
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