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Subject: 105mm or 155mm for Medium Brigades
Maple Leaf    8/6/2003 3:31:30 PM
My question is should the SBCT have a 105mm or 155mm gun. I look at the Canadian brigades that presently deploy the French LG1 105mm towed gun with their LAV-III equipped manoeuvre forces. Now Canada does it because of the cost of buying a 155mm gun, but maybe there is an advantage to the 105mm gun. I heard the arguement that the 105mm gun is more suited for the peace support operations of the 21st Century, because the small shell causes less collateral damage while still providing accurate and deadly fire. That is a good point. I'm wonder what others think about this. Would forces engaged in peace support operations like Somalia, Bosnia and now Liberia, be more likely to use artillery if there was less likelyhood of damage to civilians and civilian infrastructure? I look at past peace support operations, and 105's have deployed more often than the 155's. The US deployed 105's to Grenada, Panama, Bosnia, Kosovo (guns stayed in Macedonia and never actually went into Kosovo) and of course with the 82nd and 101st in both Gulf Wars. The Canadian, British and French have deployed 105mm guns to Bosnia since back in the mid-1990's with UNPROFOR, I-FOR and S-FOR. And the British sent two regiments to support its Royal Marine brigade and its air assault brigade during 'Iraqi Freedom' Both the towed 105mm and 155mm can be carried on a tilt-bed truck as see with the M777 at So, 105mm or 155mm?
 
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flamingknives       10/16/2006 4:39:27 PM
That has to be one of the ugliest military vehicles it has ever been my misfortune to clap eyes on.
 
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ArtyEngineer       10/16/2006 4:53:59 PM

That has to be one of the ugliest military vehicles it has ever been my misfortune to clap eyes on.
I can live with "Ugly" for my howitzer system provided it lives up to the claims!!!!  Below is from Army Technology, not always the most reliable source of information, but a good starting point. 

Specifications - Artillery Gun Module (AGM) Medium Weight Self Propelled Howitzer, Germany


Key Data
Crew 2
Dimensions
Height 3.06m
Width 2.97m
Length 10.42m
Weights
Weight module 12.5t
Weight with MLRS hull 27t
Weight with 6x6 truck Estimated at less than 23t
Weapons
Barrel 155mm, 52-calibre
Ammunition NATO standard 155mm
Performance
Traverse 360°
Rate of fire 6 to 8 rounds per minute
Range, standard 155mm rounds 30km
Range, base bleed rounds >40km
Air transportability A400M

I would love to see a truck mounted varient using the FMTV, only problem is the FMTV is a very tall vehicle, so there goes anything less than C17 transportability which kind of defeats the purpose!!!!
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ArtyEngineer    Oooopppps!!!!   10/16/2006 4:56:29 PM
Got my truck designations mixed up, meant the MTVR, the FMTV is the US Armys new truck and it sucks!!!!
 
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Carl S       10/17/2006 8:45:26 PM
 
That has to be one of the ugliest military vehicles it has ever been my misfortune to clap eyes on."
 
I thought it one of the most beutifull.
 
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neutralizer       10/22/2006 4:13:14 AM
Last week UK published their 'Defence Technology Strategy'.  In Annex B in the section on 'General Munitions and Energetics Technologies', which addresses 'tunable' and 'scaledable' munitions there's a picture of a 105mm 'Lightweight Artillery Munition', albeit it with the interesting detail edited out, also a couple of stills from firing trials. 
 
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doggtag       10/22/2006 4:15:39 PM

Last week UK published their 'Defence Technology Strategy'.  In Annex B in the section on 'General Munitions and Energetics Technologies', which addresses 'tunable' and 'scaledable' munitions there's a picture of a 105mm 'Lightweight Artillery Munition', albeit it with the interesting detail edited out, also a couple of stills from firing trials. 


You don't by chance know if the UK publishes an online symposium directory like we do here in the US with the NDIA site (http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/index.html), do you?
 
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