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Subject: Command & Conquer it ain't: Russian twin 152mm
doggtag    12/31/2006 11:24:13 PM
This is almost too funny. Pulled this from a TankNet forum (link follows, as does the pic)
 
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YelliChink       1/3/2007 8:00:51 PM
Darn! It's M46, not D-30.
 
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Carl S       1/4/2007 4:46:49 PM
"Sure would be fine if Neutraliser, Carl S., and Arty Engineer would weigh in here. "

Just from a five second glance.....

The equilabrators on the doublebarreled thingy dont look robust enough to handle the extra weight balanced on the trunions.  I'm also trying to visualize a double cradle jammed into that space for seperate recoil, and cant see it.  If the barrels are on a single recoil assembly the charges need to be fired simultaneously as I cant see the little valves ect..functioning properly with a second charge going off halfway thru the cycle.  The details on that other web site should be interesting. 
 
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k3n-54n       1/14/2007 3:35:01 AM
Wouldn't three be better?
 
 
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Phaid       1/16/2007 2:43:51 PM
Apparently the Chinese think so:

type 92

The Chinese Type 91, a licence produced version of the Russian "Koalition" with three Type 66 152mm guns.
 
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doggtag       1/17/2007 8:33:26 PM
Nice.
 
...and a complete 180º left-to-right rotation of that original pic I posted up at the beginning.
 
The photoshop scam is obvious here: look how distorted/disproportionate (sp?) the center barrel is compared to the upper and lower ones.
(notice the mis-alignment of the recoil sleeves, look at the center one compared to the other two. And where would the third barrel have its recoil mechanisms/recuperators to begin with? And one can look at the trunnion elevation race and see the curve is all wrong to allow the guns to elevate at all- just between the upper and center barrel, it almost looks "stepped".)
 
For the record, Tony William's site briefly mentioned something of Russian naval interest in a new naval gun for its destroyers and cruisers.
Seen a conceptual drawing in (Armada? Jane's?) some recent mag last week, showing a somewhat larger turret showing over/under guns, and compares the mount to the current twin 130 side-by-side (decades ago-1960s/1970s, there were 37mm and 76mm over-under installations on a few Russian Fast Attack Boats, and there was an early OTO Melara 76mm over/under turret before they settled on the universally-known single barrel Super Rapide turret).
But I couldn't exactly say the proposal/concept was actually 152mm or 130mm.
Of course, it may all be more hype spawned by TW's site...
 
Anyone who has an active Jane's Defence Weekly subscription (or who may know the magazine I saw), please let us know if they happen to mention anything of it.
 
Photoshop scam to begin with?
Sure it could be.
 
But until AMOS came around, no one would've believed a twin barrel 120mm gun mortar, either (early AMOS concepts even suggested quad barrels, see page 600 of the 1997-98 Jane's Armour & Artillery, showing what looks like an open-topped turret mounted on an Ikv-91 chassis).
 
 
 
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Phaid       1/18/2007 4:09:13 PM
Well yeah, I made the "Type 91" pic in Photoshop in about 5 mintues using the larger version of the pic you originally posted as a basis.  The only thing I did was copy the higher of the 2 barrels, rotate it slightly, and dump it on top of the existing two, and then messed around with the turret a bit to clean it up.  The original two guns are completely unchanged.

I don't believe a word of the original.  It looks like a photoshop, and more importantly the claims made about it are all clearly false.  It's nothing but an altered photo of a 2S19.  Every single detail other than the guns and the travel lock is a 2S19.

 
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Jeff_F_F       1/19/2007 2:04:38 AM
It could still have an export market. The Iranians would love it.
 
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Carl S       1/19/2007 11:01:05 PM
Might we have a quad arraginment now? : )
 
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Mechanic       3/4/2007 11:21:21 AM
This picture was published in Jane's (Defence weekly?) with some details. I only glanced the magazine in the coffee table at the work and at the moment I can't get to Jane's internet service so no more detail here. Anybody red the same article?
 
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