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Subject: Supacat portee 155mm LIMAWS(G) contender revealed
doggtag    9/15/2005 9:14:28 AM
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Public presentation of Portee System

Christopher F Foss

Being shown in public for the first time at DSEi is the 155mm M777 Portee System which combines the proven 155mm/39 calibre M777 towed lightweight artillery system and a purpose-built portee vehicle from Supacat. The concept demonstrator has been built by BAE Systems Land Systems as a private venture to meet the potential requirements of the British Army for a Lightweight Mobile Artillery Weapon System ? Gun (LIMAWS (Gun)).

There are three contenders to meet the LIMAWS(G) requirement, Giat Industries CAESAR 155mm/52 calibre system based on a 6x6 truck chassis, the Portee System, and the standard 155mm M777 lightweight artillery system.

The new M777 Portee System is based on an eight-wheeled (8x6) version of the HMT Supacat high mobility cross-country vehicle, which has been selected by the British Army for a number of other applications.

Carried on the rear of the HMT Supacat is the standard 155mm M777 lightweight artillery system, which is already in low rate initial production for the US Marine Corps, which is taking delivery of 94 units. Under a full rate production contract awarded earlier this year, an additional 495 will be built, which makes it the largest current towed artillery programme in the world.

When in the travelling mode, the 155mm M777 lightweight artillery system is carried in the very rear of the chassis, with the ordnance to the front and resting between the split forward control cab. It can be rapidly unloaded using the vehicle?s onboard mechanical handing system.

The gun crew of six is seated in an armour and NBC-protected cab. When compared with a conventional self-propelled artillery system, the 155mm M777 Portee System will have the added advantage that it can be split into two loads for transport slung under a tactical helicopter.

Together with Caesar, the M777 Portee System was recently put through an extensive capability evaluation as part of the LIMAWS(G) Assessment Phase manned by the Royal Artillery. During this, tactical and strategic mobility were assessed and more than 350 rounds fired. Maximum range of M777 depends on projectile/charge combination, but firing the 155mm XM982 Excalibur precision-guided munition, it has a maximum range of more than 40km. The complete M777 Portee System weighs about 12.3 tonnes and can be carried inside a C-130 Hercules transport aircraft.

For the UK trials the M777 was fitted with the SELEX Sensors and Airborne Systems Laser Inertial Artillery Pointing System (LINAPS), which is in service with the Royal Artillery on its 105 mm L118 Light Guns. It is expected that the weapon selected to meet the LIMAWS(G) requirement will enter service later this decade and up to 45 systems will be required.

 
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neutralizer    RE:Supacat portee 155mm LIMAWS(G) contender revealed   9/16/2005 6:52:07 AM
It's unclear exactly where LIMAWS(G) fits in role wise. L118s will be around for a long while (the new L50 HE makes this clear) although the creation of a third lt regt has put pressure on the numbers available. It may lead to mixed regts. Other reports suggest replacing AS90 in mech bdes, but this would probably be closer to 90 guns. New ammo for all guns is also part of the equation. I'd guess that any M777 will need a few enhancements for UK use, eg power rammer and or powered elevation to raise the rate of fire. This may in turn challenge the barrel. Reverting to an old fashioned BL breech of the US ordnance would be another issue, particularly since it doesn't have a primer magazine which is also important to raise the rate of fire to modern standards not those of WW2. However, Caesar does offer modern rates of fire. It's useful to remember that RA deployed a data system, BATES, but providing interoperability for distributing messages beyond RA was too much for the Army. In the '80s it was thought that the Project Independent Virtual Database would do this, one of the more fanciful MoD ideas long since buried out of embarrassment. However, it does mean that RA info doesn't flow easily to others. Of course the new BISAs will fix this. RA has never been in the int business (except the specialist area of arty int to support the CB battle). Their primary job is tgt acquisition for guns and rkts, although they have long been tasked as part of int collection plans to provide info to G2. That said UAVs have been tasked on wider surv and info collection tasks since at least 1970 (RA has been using UAVs continuously since about 1960, they are the longest continuous tactical users in the world). RA seems committed to special OPs (HAC and 5/73 bty). The arty comd on GW2 has admitted that his biggest mistake was not to take 5/73, probably because they didn't take any MLRS and had an agreement with the USMC about the use of 3MAW.
 
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flamingknives    RE:Supacat portee 155mm LIMAWS(G) contender revealed   9/19/2005 1:52:57 PM
Seems to me that the role of the LIMAWS systems ((G) and (R)) falls into supporting the medium-weight FRES.
 
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doggtag    RE:Supacat portee 155mm LIMAWS(G) contender revealed   9/19/2005 2:14:35 PM
I agree with you, FK, just like NLOS-C would be used to support the other FCS platforms (and Stryker SBCTs and maybe even replace many of the older M109s that never made it to Paladin standard.)
 
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