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Subject: is the USA developing a Anti Matter Bomb?
metalfan182    8/24/2007 3:51:36 PM
I have recently heard that the USA has dedicated an entire particle accelerator to the manufacture and study of Anti Matter.

Could this be for weapons purpose?

I have heard that Anti Matter doesn't give off harmful amounts of radiation on detonation and just generates pure energy. Could this mean a clean nuclear weapon?
 
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Ehran       9/5/2007 12:04:48 PM
the idea that we could "end life on the planet" via nukes is just silly.  even if you brought the oceans to a roiling boil there are organisms at some of the deep sea vents that would find that a tad chilly for their tastes.  on land you find bacteria thousands of feet down when drilling for oil for instance.  we'd have to cook at least a mile down to have any chance of extirminating them.  we NEVER had that kind of energy available to us in the entire world wide stockpiles of nukes.  screw ourselves out of our nice cushy lifestyles we could have done.  i think the usa and canada would probably not get pounded back any further than 1900's simply because we don't have a high population density in much of our countries and there are a LOT of machine tools and at least semi skilled machinists scattered about.
 
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Treadgar       9/5/2007 8:06:09 PM
Hmmm? I've never believed we could end life on this planet with a nuke war, just life as we know it. 

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Shooter2K       11/2/2007 12:53:55 AM
Excellent post and right on the money! One tiny nit to pick! The US, Canada, Japan and most of Europe, including Russia would not be taken back as far as 1960-80s? for the exact reasons you site.
 
One thing the anti-nuc crowd fails to understand, is that the world is a big place and even a realitively small country like the UK would, if attacked with every single nuclear weapon ever in existance, STILL HAVE SURVIVORS! Not many, but there would still be some!
 
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Ehran       11/2/2007 12:52:59 PM

If someone else developed anti-matter weapons, it wouldn't make atomic weapons obsolete or even obsolescent. The existing arsenal is ample to obliterate all life on earth so the ability to do so with slightly fewer weapons (or the same amount) isn't much of a capability jump.


the existing arsenal of nukes is far from wiping out humans much less all life on earth.  it's doubtful a full on nuke exchange tween the russians and the americans would manage to drive the usa much further back than 1850's to 1900 tech   too many small towns with jackleg mechanics and machinists to do worse than that.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    When I studied this stuff in college...   11/10/2007 1:03:36 PM

1. The US has to this point acumulated less than 10^-18 grams of antiprotons.

2. we've held that resevoir in a stable mirror charge trap for more than eighteen years. Magnetic fields contrary to popular belief don't decay all that easily-especially self maintaining ones.

3. If we set off all the ordnance we have Humanity's nuclear arsenals we would temporarily damage about 3% of the surface area of the Earth and kill less than 1/100th of 1% of its biomass. When you consider that a Katrina event is the equivalent of 15%-20% of the US arsenal in effective energy unleashed over a wide area, you have to wonder about the nuclear weapon effect exaggerations that plague our popular imaginations. For example- the Czar bomb would leave a ground crater about 10 kilometers wide and about two kilometers deep. It would vaporize Everest surely, but it would hardly destroy the Earth or do more than local immediate damage to the environment. The sustained damage in the form offall out would be bad for a couple of years, but then so was the fall out from Krakatoa [radioactives included by the way] which was far worse in yield as well as the debris kicked into the air.  

 

You have to understand what is really needed to Chicxilub us. That would be Mount Everest traveling at a good  20 kilometers per second headed straight for a plate tectonic fault. THAT would fix us good. At 115 MILLION megatons energy released or about 1000 tomes [3 orders of magnitude] of the entire Human nuclear arsenal, it will kill off anywhere from 55% to 90% of all species currently alive-probably anything larger than a chicken, just from the shock waves..   

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THAT is what you need to wipe out Humanity. We don't even come close to that kind of power to do work on ourselves.........yet.

 

Herald


This is almost exactly the way it was described to me. Herald is correct. We do have history to look at to support his statements by reviewing the damage done at Hiroshima/Nagasaki, and the geologic record of events like Toba and Chicxilub.
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