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Subject: If Earth Was Attacked
L4zyB0i    3/9/2006 4:32:29 PM
How many men can some of the larger nations draft and arm to resist an invasion? China, US, Russia, India, EU all seem to be capapble of putting up quite a fight, and any invasion would likely be highly disadvantaged numbers wise. Its really hard to take enough soldiers from your planet to attack one lightyears away that can arm 100 million plus soldiers.

So first off, how many soldiers does the world have in its armed forces right now while we are mostly all at peace? Secondly, how many could we equip to fight? Although there hasnt been another world war to show us the Earth's industrial might, we must have at least doubled what we were capable of producing during the 40's right? The US in its 4 years of total war in WW2 built close to 300,000 combat aircraft. Granted, planes have gotten more complicated and more expensive, but their capability's have also taken a quantum leap.

Would we win with sheer numbers alone if we united to defend our planet?
 
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kane    RE:If Earth Was Attacked    5/24/2006 8:27:01 AM
hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm well do we know the technology of the invaders.NO so this seems silly to me.how do we know if bullets or nukes would kill them or not
 
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andyf    RE:If Earth Was Attacked    5/25/2006 1:00:28 PM
bullets and nukes work off physics,, its likely theyll work. the problem is that they will have had similar and for a lot longer, we would probably never get into range, consider an old sailing man-o-war with smoothbore cannons. if it sideled up to a modern frigate and gave it a broadside it would cause quite a lot of damage,it might even sink it. whats the chances of it ever getting close enough? even a 60 year technology gap is quite enough to render you helpless- put the prinz eugen against a ticonderoga class cruiser- its just a live fire exercise
 
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Ehran    RE:If Earth Was Attacked    5/25/2006 1:40:03 PM
put the prinz eugen against a ticonderoga class cruiser- its just a live fire exercise pretty thin odds the tech gap will be anything like that close.
 
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JohnBarry    RE:If Earth Was Attacked    5/25/2006 3:36:39 PM
I sure it has been mentioned before, but if you haven?t read Harry Turtledove's "World at War? series, it pretty good. Earth is invaded right in the middle of WW2 by lizards. The lizard?s culture advances at a steady but very slow pace. Their empire has existed for thousand of years. The lizards have interstellar space technology and their ground and air forces are more advanced than ours but not that much, maybe present day technology. They have nuclear weapons but can?t really use them because they want to colonize the Earth not blow it up. They also have not fought a war in something like 10,000 years so they are tactically incompetent. The Lizard kick *ss when they first arrive just on pure firepower, but after that humans start to adapt and steal the alien?s technology and reengineer it.
 
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Heorot    RE:If Earth Was Attacked    5/25/2006 4:55:44 PM
Try Jerry Pournelles "Footfall". The aliens also want to use the earth for themselves but they immobilise Earths military by destroying all ships (not just military) bigger than a fishing boat and all road and rail bridges. Earth wins of course, but by psychology rather than might.
 
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Mex101    RE:If Earth Was Attacked    5/26/2006 3:40:39 PM
How about this...you'll love it Aliens attack earth in a hundred years but they ar 15 year less advanced and we won...Hurry! Its "Domb" to see earth as the most un avanced planet in this galaxy. So L4zyB0i specify certian details like tech livel of the attackers and our condetion when attacked.
 
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momus    RE:If Earth Was Attacked for Mex 101   5/26/2006 7:33:05 PM
Check out "The Road Not Taken" By Harry Turtledove. In this story, interstellar travel is not hard to do, but Earth missed the technology which allows it. When the invaders arrive, they are less well armed than the people of Earth.
 
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andyf    RE:If Earth Was Attacked for Mex 101   5/28/2006 1:40:22 PM
chances are we'd lose , and badly. maybe theyl have some menial servant jobs for the survivors
 
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andyf    RE:If Earth Was Attacked    5/28/2006 1:56:35 PM
mind you,,watching battlestar galactica , all we'd need is one of those motors from off a viper,, we could build something a lot better than vipers i think i'd go for a starfury type design, 4 vulcan cannons an a couple of those new laser pods would work quite nicely
 
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Mex101    RE:If Earth Was Attacked for Mex 101   5/28/2006 7:38:44 PM
The thing is that only a major brakethrough by some egghead is needed for us to achive intersteller travel. High level of math will be needed, but that doesn't mean that we would have Phasers and Photan torpedos with sheilded ships. THose are totally defferint technologies. Its like saying that you can't go to the moon if you don'e have laser guns. How's this. the World's first Deep space Shuttle that can achive 2 times the speed of light goes out to a newly descoverd star sys. about 4 Light years from home. We hear nothing of it in 5 years and detict a massive alien fleet of cruisers the size of the ISS and destroyers the size of an Aircraft career. 10 cruisers 5 destroyers 20 shuttle size ships with porjectille weapons, heavy rail guns and a handfull of Nukes the year is 2020. Their is a Lunar settlment of 500 poeple an observatory of 50 people on Mars 2 ISS stations 1 Marsian Space station, the size of Skylab 5 CEV ships 3 Russian Klippers 2 EU Klippers one other Deep space shuttle what happends?
 
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andyf    RE:If Earth Was Attacked for Mex 101   6/4/2006 3:31:11 PM
get some nice large capacity rockets.. fill em up with radar absorbent material grains.. an a small he burst charge ,,, and fill the approach vectors with invisible high speed death
 
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andyf    RE:If Earth Was Attacked for Mex 101   6/4/2006 3:36:52 PM
and after all we got a LOT of nukes.and theres no upper yield limit on a fusion bomb, use the moon as a shield and fry their sensors?
 
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Mr_Omniscient    RE: If Earth Was Attacked   10/6/2006 11:35:55 PM
  Granted that if any alien invaders just wanted to bomb the hell out of us, we probably wouldn't be able to do anything more than strap a nuke to a shuttle and hope the yankee oilrig guy can do it twice in a row. However if alien invaders mounted a full-scale invasion, the number of armed and armoured servicemen we could field would be significant to some extent. If we assume a worst case scenario where the aliens are driving round tanks with 60" thick armour, we can still fight that, we just gotta get a load of really brave, or stupid, volunteers to lure the tanks onto a bridge or something and then blow it, or dig some monstrous pit and cover it with monstrous leaves. Anything less than that would warrant a mock defensive front that fought to the death whilst the rest of the planet's armed forces dug in and prepared for a long gruelling guerrial war. It's been proven effective before (Iraq, Vietnam) and doesn't require a massive financial strain as we won't need so many main battle tanks or battlecruisers or frigates or eurofighters or blackbirds or any high tech gear. I bet we could get by on a couple of thousand tonnes of semtex and AK-47s.
 
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Mr_Omniscient    RE: If Earth Was Attacked   10/6/2006 11:38:17 PM
You probably worked it out, but that odd word is actually "guerrilla"
 
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Mr_Omniscient    RE: If Earth Was Attacked   10/7/2006 4:46:38 AM
You probably worked it out, but that odd word is actually "guerrilla"
 
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